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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:30 am to JPLSU1981
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:30 am to JPLSU1981
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IMO people all worked up over the fact that she died, which has NOTHINIG to do with what happened in that car.
IMO, these two are not so easily uncoupled. What happened subsequent after dropoff is further proof of her lack of cognizance beforehand.
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:39 am to AlwysATgr
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What happened subsequent after dropoff is further proof of her lack of cognizance beforehand.
It’s a powerful fact. And I don’t think the defense can keep it out.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:42 am to AlwysATgr
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IMO, these two are not so easily uncoupled. What happened subsequent after dropoff is further proof of her lack of cognizance beforehand.
Exactly.
She's on the one hand, not coherent enough due to inebriation to avoid being in front of a vehicle going at least 55 mph down the highway. Yet on the other hand, she is allegedly absolutely coherent enough with said inebriation to consent to gang anal sex with an audience and likely video of such acts.
That's a tough scenario to wrap one's mind around.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:43 am to tonydtigr
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That's a tough scenario to wrap one's mind around.
It's been plaguing my mind for a month now
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:50 am to JudgeHolden
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If you have sex with a drunk, consenting woman, you are fine UNLESS she is so drunk that she can’t understand the act AND you know or should know it.
and how do you define "so drunk she can't understand the act"
and how do you define "you should know it"
its all subjective, and there aren't enough facts to say one way or the other with certainty.
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No one zonked out of their mind can consent to sex.
No one zonked out of their mind can run without falling.
again i'm not saying she wasn't raped b/c we don't have all the facts yet, but the fact that she was capable of running after them minutes before having sex doesn't help the prosecution with she was too drunk to consent. She was obviously drunk enough to make dumb decisions, which everyone has done, but that doesn't mean she was so drunk she didn't even know what was happening, and i would think this law applies to being so drunk you don't know what's happening, as in passed out and can't walk, which she was not.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:55 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:but one of the guys in the car said she was asked 5 times if she wanted to have sex - had she said no and were they hoping she changed her mind or was she not coherent enough to answer? No one may know
that doesn't mean she was so drunk she didn't even know what was happening,
ETA: plus that makes it look like they knew she was too drunk and they were just trying to cover their asses
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 9:56 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:58 am to TeddyPadillac
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its all subjective, and there aren't enough facts to say one way or the other with certainty.
2 of the perps seemed to have no trouble figuring it out.
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No one zonked out of their mind can run without falling.
Completely false
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t, but the fact that she was capable of running after them minutes before having sex doesn't help the prosecution with she was too drunk to consent.
Your incorrect opinion means nothing. Blackout drunk people operate vehicles all the time. You think walking for 10 seconds is some unattaible feat?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:03 am to tonydtigr
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She's on the one hand, not coherent enough due to inebriation to avoid being in front of a vehicle going at least 55 mph down the highway.
People are hit on Airline and Florida all the time. They don't realize how quickly a car going 60mpg is going to catch up to them. Hell just yesterday at 6am, still somewhat dark, some dumbfrick walked, not ran, walked across Siegen right before the interstate exit, and had the nerve to flip me off b/c i didn't slow down and almost hit his dumbass as he casually walked across. I didn't see him until the last second, and this is a fairly well lit area.
Now if she was stumbling around in the middle of the road and was hit that way, then i would agree that this second act is very pertinent to the accusation of rape. But if she was just trying to cross the street and got hit, then i see that as a normal stupid decision that is made all the time just in the city. Crossing a street at night where cars go 60mph, is extremely unsafe no matter if you're drunk or not.
I think it's a big difference if she was hit crossing the street, or if she was hit b/c she was just in the street.
No one knows what scenario happened, but the majority here want to make assumptions that she was just standing in the middle of the road unknowingly. and that may be what happened, but we have no idea at this time until the uber driver gives a statement about it.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:08 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:you don’t think this dumbfrick was impaired in any way?
Hell just yesterday at 6am, still somewhat dark, some dumbfrick walked, not ran, walked across Siegen right before the interstate exit, and had the nerve to flip me off b/c i didn't slow down and almost hit his dumbass as he casually walked across
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:10 am to GreenRockTiger
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but one of the guys in the car said she was asked 5 times if she wanted to have sex - had she said no and were they hoping she changed her mind or was she not coherent enough to answer? No one may know
Why are we to believe everythign they say?
and even if that did happen, that sounds par for the course for any man trying to have sex with a woman. Hell i have to do that with my wife.
and i will still say that they should have known they shouldn't have been taking advantage of this drunk girl, but I say that as a person with morals and common sense. Men go to bars and take advantage of drunk girls every single night. If there's evidence of her initiating or asking for it, even as a drunk, it's hard to call what happened illegal. Shitty, without a doubt yes, but illegal, just seems unlikely to me.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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Why are we to believe everythign they say?
Why would you not believe what they say? They're the only ones alive from inside the car.
You act all high and mighty about not making assumptions, then you just assume these guys are lying any time they say somethin that shows them to be rapists.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:13 am to GreenRockTiger
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you don’t think this dumbfrick was impaired in any way?
given the location, i assumed he was, but he seemed cognizant enough to flip me off and speed up his walk at the last minute at the same time so he was obviously aware of what was happening. Hell he saw it before i did, and good thing he did. I was changing lanes looking in my side and rearview mirrors as i knew no car was in front of me. I wasn't looking ahead for a dumbass in the middle of the road.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:14 am to TeddyPadillac
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but he seemed cognizant enough to flip me off and speed up his walk at the last minute at the same time so he was obviously aware of what was happening.
You have absolutely no concept of what a blackout drunk person is capable of
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:15 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:we don’t have to believe anything but since it was said - it could be taken into consideration
Why are we to believe everythign they say?
quote:that’s a shame and irrelevant
Hell i have to do that with my wife.
quote:nope, but they did, and it seems one of these guys may have a problem with being able to control himself
they shouldn't have been taking advantage of this drunk girl
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:15 am to TeddyPadillac
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No one knows what scenario happened, but the majority here want to make assumptions that she was just standing in the middle of the road unknowingly. and that may be what happened, but we have no idea at this time until the uber driver gives a statement about it.
The news report on this was she was standing in the road.
Have not seen if the driver's vehicle was outfitted with a fwd facing camera.
I couldn't watch it if it was but it's a piece to the puzzle and again tethers the aftermath with the beforehand.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:17 am to LNCHBOX
I don’t think the driver or the uncle should be charged with anything
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:20 am to R11
Stir the pot some more
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:22 am to LNCHBOX
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Your incorrect opinion means nothing. Blackout drunk people operate vehicles all the time. You think walking for 10 seconds is some unattaible feat?
running, not walking. i know you saw the video of her running, not walking.
blackout drunk to you must mean something different than me, so your opinion means nothing.
blackout drunk means you literally cannot function. You can't even stand up on your own when blackout drunk. You aren't driving a car when blackout drunk. If somehow you do get in a car, then you'll 100% crash it, assuming you even figure out how to make it go.
blackout drunk and really drunk are two different things. it's called blackout for a reason. a blackout drunk person isn't walking anywhere, they are falling down and passing out, assuming someone helped them get up in the first place so they could fall. a really drunk person can sometimes focus enough to walk a straight line in a field sobriety test, but they are still really drunk.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:24 am to GreenRockTiger
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we don’t have to believe anything but since it was said - it could be taken into consideration
i 100% agree.
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that’s a shame and irrelevant
and you know what i meant by this. it's normal for a man to try to convince a woman to have sex with him. it happens all the time.
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nope, but they did, and it seems one of these guys may have a problem with being able to control himself
and i 100% agree with that, and i think it would be stupid if they can't bring the other instances in his past up for this case, but i understand the law might not allow for it.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:27 am to TeddyPadillac
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running, not walking. i know you saw the video of her running, not walking.
Blackout people run all the fricking time. "Blackout drunk"; does not mean you are passed out. Are you 12?
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it's called blackout for a reason
You actually are this stupid. 
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