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re: Delphi, IN Murders Trial Thread
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:07 pm to Gris Gris
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:07 pm to Gris Gris
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Interesting that she says LE knew about van guy on in February when the other reporter said LE didn't know about him until August of this year.
yeah - I think this whole van thing still has some parts that need to be resolved, solidified. Burkhart is in the courtroom, taking an insane amount of notes. I believe what she says, since she's there. Somewhere though, some wires are getting crossed.
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Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:30 pm to POTUS2024
quote:FWIW, I haven't driven through Delphi in a few years, but off the top of my head I'd guess that 20-25 minutes from the Subaru plant (in Lafayette) would be on the low side, generally speaking. Certainly feasible depending on traffic, but not a time I'd expect to make consistently.
My guess is the Defense already has the info they need and want him to testify and that it's going to blow apart the idea that he was there at that time. If you want to put on your tin foil hat - this is a good time to do it.
Don't take that to the bank, though, and I'm not going to go out and time it now.
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 10/31/24 at 7:44 pm to tokenBoiler
This seems like a farce. It's hard to imagine the prosecutors would waste the taxpayers money with such little evidence. They can't connect RA to the crime scene. The unspent cartridge evidence is controversial, at best.
The phone calls from solitary confinement in prison, as relayed by Lawyer Lee on YT, seem like he has lost is mind and has been injected with Haldol.
What happened to the second sketch of the suspect, and LE came out and said to forget the first sketch, which looked like RA?
The phone calls from solitary confinement in prison, as relayed by Lawyer Lee on YT, seem like he has lost is mind and has been injected with Haldol.
What happened to the second sketch of the suspect, and LE came out and said to forget the first sketch, which looked like RA?
Posted on 11/1/24 at 12:46 am to RunningBlake
This case reminds me a lot of the Laci Peterson case. Both have all the circumstantial evidence pointing to just one suspect, each of which is either guilty or the unluckiest person on the planet. The best both defenses could come up with in turn, is attempting to blame random individuals who would not only have to be the luckiest people on the planet but also the smartest.
Yet neither could produce the smoking gun that satisfies everybody.
Also:
In both 2 people were killed.
Both suspects had incriminating events from their past (cheating and sex abuse)
Scott basically confessed before he did it. Richard after. Yet neither satisfies everybody.
Neither really had useful DNA evidence but both had hairs found.
Both occurred the day before a holiday.
Both had errors in the investigation. (Newsflash - They all do)
Both had unreliable witness reports. (See above)
Both had testing techniques questioned by many.
Neither had prior records.
Neither are smart criminals.
Both can be placed near the scene of the murders/body dump and by their own admission.
Both are extremely selfish.
Finally, both are guilty as sin yet have people who seem so overly willing to give these monsters the benefit of the doubt when they could at least spend a little time giving the victims the benefit of their thoughts.
Yet neither could produce the smoking gun that satisfies everybody.
Also:
In both 2 people were killed.
Both suspects had incriminating events from their past (cheating and sex abuse)
Scott basically confessed before he did it. Richard after. Yet neither satisfies everybody.
Neither really had useful DNA evidence but both had hairs found.
Both occurred the day before a holiday.
Both had errors in the investigation. (Newsflash - They all do)
Both had unreliable witness reports. (See above)
Both had testing techniques questioned by many.
Neither had prior records.
Neither are smart criminals.
Both can be placed near the scene of the murders/body dump and by their own admission.
Both are extremely selfish.
Finally, both are guilty as sin yet have people who seem so overly willing to give these monsters the benefit of the doubt when they could at least spend a little time giving the victims the benefit of their thoughts.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 1:14 am to WestSideTiger
Latest Burkhart video from Thursday's proceedings. This is tedious. Her video is close to 6hrs long. I'm not even 2hrs into it. Here are my notes thus far - spoiler - van story is probably going to fall apart and I assure you, someone out there is saying to himself that Weber is the killer.
The guy listening to Allen's phone calls from prison said Allen seemed calm and normal, despite his calls being anything but that and Burkhart says that type of behavior has the potential to jeopardize the trust of the jury.
This guy (I think it's the same guy she's talking about) testifies that on one of the calls, Allen mentions the van situation as part of a confession, so he relays up the chain to let them know about the van and states at that point there was nothing about a van in the investigation - this doesn't really align with other stuff that has come out. This guy says it occurs to him that only the killer would know about that van so if they can put that van there, it would be important. He claims that from the call he knew the van would have to be on that private drive heading to Weber's house. So he runs a DMV check and finds out Weber has a van. He says he got the early reports from the investigation that involved Weber and so they looked at his work history. Also, those early reports never mentioned a van according to him.
This guy claims there was nothing about a van on social media or out in the public - but a commenter said that van talk was out there, although we don't know the exact timeline, of course.
This guy then says he believes the voice on the enhanced video from one of the girl's phone is Allen's voice. Burkhart points out that the video and the audio gets tweaked for the enhancement process, so the claim is dubious.
Defense gets to cross and points out that many people thought the voice on the bridge was someone other than Allen and this guy says that he's not familiar with that part of the investigation. Yet he knew about Weber and the van. It's convenient that this guy claims to not know about things that stand to contradict his testimony.
Defense asks him if he got to review the discovery info and the guy says no and Defense asks something like, 'would it surprise you to know there were a lot of comments early on about a van?' This van stuff is getting murky. Defense asks if this guy read a certain report, guy says no. Burkhart says the trap is being set by the Defense. What the Defense is getting at is that the report / claim that Weber went straight home after work is untrue. Burkhart points out that what we may be looking at is Weber telling LE back in 2017 a story that in fact distances himself from the area.
(Side note - Someone out there is going to be saying to himself - Weber is the killer.)
Defense spells out that for the timeline to work according to the Allen confession, that the van has to be there, and if it's not, then this all falls apart. Defense points out that a handgun was seized from Weber back in 2017 - prosecution objects due to scope, sustained. Defense asks if witness realizes that Weber was a suspect at one time. Objection for scope and violates pre-trial ruling that the defense can't propose a 'third party culprit'. But the door was opened because this guy said he went back and looked at the materials related to Weber. Burkhart points out this LE guy should have known this about Weber and also that they could not exclude Weber's gun - which is news to me, I don't recall them talking about Weber and a gun earlier.
Good time to remember how one of the girl's phone was pinging in the area but then disappeared for a bit and then reappeared to the towers the next morning around 4am.
I'm normally headed to the gym at this time but taking the day off, so maybe I can trudge through the remaining 4hrs of this video. shite is tedious.
The guy listening to Allen's phone calls from prison said Allen seemed calm and normal, despite his calls being anything but that and Burkhart says that type of behavior has the potential to jeopardize the trust of the jury.
This guy (I think it's the same guy she's talking about) testifies that on one of the calls, Allen mentions the van situation as part of a confession, so he relays up the chain to let them know about the van and states at that point there was nothing about a van in the investigation - this doesn't really align with other stuff that has come out. This guy says it occurs to him that only the killer would know about that van so if they can put that van there, it would be important. He claims that from the call he knew the van would have to be on that private drive heading to Weber's house. So he runs a DMV check and finds out Weber has a van. He says he got the early reports from the investigation that involved Weber and so they looked at his work history. Also, those early reports never mentioned a van according to him.
This guy claims there was nothing about a van on social media or out in the public - but a commenter said that van talk was out there, although we don't know the exact timeline, of course.
This guy then says he believes the voice on the enhanced video from one of the girl's phone is Allen's voice. Burkhart points out that the video and the audio gets tweaked for the enhancement process, so the claim is dubious.
Defense gets to cross and points out that many people thought the voice on the bridge was someone other than Allen and this guy says that he's not familiar with that part of the investigation. Yet he knew about Weber and the van. It's convenient that this guy claims to not know about things that stand to contradict his testimony.
Defense asks him if he got to review the discovery info and the guy says no and Defense asks something like, 'would it surprise you to know there were a lot of comments early on about a van?' This van stuff is getting murky. Defense asks if this guy read a certain report, guy says no. Burkhart says the trap is being set by the Defense. What the Defense is getting at is that the report / claim that Weber went straight home after work is untrue. Burkhart points out that what we may be looking at is Weber telling LE back in 2017 a story that in fact distances himself from the area.
(Side note - Someone out there is going to be saying to himself - Weber is the killer.)
Defense spells out that for the timeline to work according to the Allen confession, that the van has to be there, and if it's not, then this all falls apart. Defense points out that a handgun was seized from Weber back in 2017 - prosecution objects due to scope, sustained. Defense asks if witness realizes that Weber was a suspect at one time. Objection for scope and violates pre-trial ruling that the defense can't propose a 'third party culprit'. But the door was opened because this guy said he went back and looked at the materials related to Weber. Burkhart points out this LE guy should have known this about Weber and also that they could not exclude Weber's gun - which is news to me, I don't recall them talking about Weber and a gun earlier.
Good time to remember how one of the girl's phone was pinging in the area but then disappeared for a bit and then reappeared to the towers the next morning around 4am.
I'm normally headed to the gym at this time but taking the day off, so maybe I can trudge through the remaining 4hrs of this video. shite is tedious.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:12 am to POTUS2024
What does Weber look like? Are there any witnesses to him being on the trail that day?
The bridge guy had a Newsboy hat on, or whatever you call it, is that a hat that either Weber or Allen routinely wore? Those hats are not very common so if one or the other wore it routinely that would be strong evidence to me.
Asssuming it was proven that Weber’s van could be scene from the area of the trails all of this occurred?
The bridge guy had a Newsboy hat on, or whatever you call it, is that a hat that either Weber or Allen routinely wore? Those hats are not very common so if one or the other wore it routinely that would be strong evidence to me.
Asssuming it was proven that Weber’s van could be scene from the area of the trails all of this occurred?
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:46 am to baldona
quote:
What does Weber look like?
I did some searches on that and didn't come up with anything. I'm very interested to see.
quote:
Asssuming it was proven that Weber’s van could be scene from the area of the trails all of this occurred?
I think the issue of his van, where it was and at what time, is still unresolved. I believe the Defense is going to hammer that out and that is probably why they issued him a subpoena.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:15 am to POTUS2024
The only real description Andrea Burkhart gave for Weber a couple of days ago was...."Deliverance"
Posted on 11/1/24 at 9:52 am to POTUS2024
quote:
Burkhart points out this LE guy should have known this about Weber and also that they could not exclude Weber's gun - which is news to me, I don't recall them talking about Weber and a gun earlier.
Haven't heard anything about this at all.
Thanks for the detailed report. I haven't had a chance to look at any summaries yet today.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:35 am to Gris Gris
From the Carroll County Comet.
Court records indicate that three weeks before Richard Allen was arrested for the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German, he, or someone using his Gmail account, searched Google for “best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.”
The Google search history was obtained through a warrant filed by Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland and introduced into evidence on Wednesday.
Allen has been charged with four counts of felony murder in the deaths of Abby and Libby, Carroll County teens who were reported missing on Feb. 13, 2017. Their bodies were found the next day shortly after noon, not far from the Monon High Bridge, where they had gone to hike the day before.
On Tuesday, jurors heard evidence that Allen told his Indiana Department of Corrections (IDOC) clinical psychologist, Dr. Monica Wala, that he “laid in wait” and then followed the girls across High Bridge, intending to sexually assault them. He used his gun, he said, and told the girls to go “down the hill.” Allen said he got spooked when he saw a van and chose to kill the girls.
More confessions
ISP Master Trooper Brian Harshman told jurors he listened to hundreds of hours of audio and video recordings of Allen while housed at Westville Correctional Facility, Wabash Valley Correctional Facility, and Cass County Jail.
Of the 700 recorded phone calls Allen made, McLeland played eight for the jury. In the recordings, calls to Allen’s wife Kathy and his mother, Allen makes multiple confessions saying he killed Abby and Libby.
“I listened to the calls over and over,” Harshman said. “Hundreds upon hundreds of hours were listened to.”
In the first call, dated Nov. 14, 2022, Allen tells his wife, “I’m sorry. I don’t want to upset you. If it gets to be too much, if this becomes too hard for you, get the officers, whatever they want me to say, I’ll say it.
Allen was crying into the phone on April 2023 when he said to his wife, “I love you.”
Kathy responded with, “I love you so much. I wish I could hug you. You need to hang in there.”
His next call to his mother came just a few hours later. He asked, “Did Kathy tell you I accepted the Lord?”
‘That’s so wonderful,” his mother, Janis, said.
“I got a family that’s gonna love me, and I got a God, I got God,” Allen said.
The next day, Allen called his wife and confessed to killing Abby and Libby.
“I want to apologize to you,” he said. “I killed Abby and Libby.”
His wife denied his allegations, saying, “No, you didn’t.”
“Yes, I did,” Allen replied.
Allen continues several more times in the conversations, saying, “I think I did it.” In a different call to his mother, he says, “I’m worried you guys are not going to love me because I told you I did it.”
“Rick, don’t talk like this,” his mother says. “I think they’re just messing with your head.”
No, Mom, they’re not,” he replied.
“I just know you don’t have it in you,” she said.
“Mom, I wouldn’t sit here and tell you I did it if I didn’t.”
Other confessions include, “I need you to know that I did this … I’m just trying to be at peace with things … I have to let you know that I did it though … It’s OK, I did it… I did it, dear … I killed Abby and Libby.”
In every conversation, Allen’s family denies his confessions, saying the (prison) is messing with his mind. They try to encourage him to stay strong.
Allen also told his family he feels like he’s losing his mind and expresses concern about whether his family will still love him.
Unique knowledge
In May 2023, Allen confessed to Wala that he killed Abby and Libby. At that time, he told Wala he had intended to assault the girls but got spooked when he saw a van.
Prosecutors say that is the missing piece, information that only the killer would know.
Harshman said investigators did not have information about the van and the potential for it to be in the area at the time the girls were abducted until August of this year. Therefore, only the person who killed the girls would know that detail, he testified.
The van belongs to Carroll County resident Mark Weber. Weber lives at the end of a private drive that extends past County Road 625 West. The access road goes under High Bridge.
Harshman said the killer would be the only one having unique knowledge of the van.
The voice
After listening to the audio evidence, McLeland addressed the voice of Bridge Guy.
RICHARD ALLEN
He played the audio of Bridge Guy saying, “Girls … down the hill.”
“Do you recognize that voice,” he asked Harshman.
“Yes,” Harshman replied.
“Who do you believe that voice belongs to,” McLeland asked.
“The voice is Richard Allen,” Harshman said.
On cross-examination, defense attorney Brad Rozzi asked Harshman if Allen’s medications could have altered his voice.
McLeland objected, sighting speculation.
(Story continues in next post.)
Court records indicate that three weeks before Richard Allen was arrested for the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German, he, or someone using his Gmail account, searched Google for “best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.”
The Google search history was obtained through a warrant filed by Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland and introduced into evidence on Wednesday.
Allen has been charged with four counts of felony murder in the deaths of Abby and Libby, Carroll County teens who were reported missing on Feb. 13, 2017. Their bodies were found the next day shortly after noon, not far from the Monon High Bridge, where they had gone to hike the day before.
On Tuesday, jurors heard evidence that Allen told his Indiana Department of Corrections (IDOC) clinical psychologist, Dr. Monica Wala, that he “laid in wait” and then followed the girls across High Bridge, intending to sexually assault them. He used his gun, he said, and told the girls to go “down the hill.” Allen said he got spooked when he saw a van and chose to kill the girls.
More confessions
ISP Master Trooper Brian Harshman told jurors he listened to hundreds of hours of audio and video recordings of Allen while housed at Westville Correctional Facility, Wabash Valley Correctional Facility, and Cass County Jail.
Of the 700 recorded phone calls Allen made, McLeland played eight for the jury. In the recordings, calls to Allen’s wife Kathy and his mother, Allen makes multiple confessions saying he killed Abby and Libby.
“I listened to the calls over and over,” Harshman said. “Hundreds upon hundreds of hours were listened to.”
In the first call, dated Nov. 14, 2022, Allen tells his wife, “I’m sorry. I don’t want to upset you. If it gets to be too much, if this becomes too hard for you, get the officers, whatever they want me to say, I’ll say it.
Allen was crying into the phone on April 2023 when he said to his wife, “I love you.”
Kathy responded with, “I love you so much. I wish I could hug you. You need to hang in there.”
His next call to his mother came just a few hours later. He asked, “Did Kathy tell you I accepted the Lord?”
‘That’s so wonderful,” his mother, Janis, said.
“I got a family that’s gonna love me, and I got a God, I got God,” Allen said.
The next day, Allen called his wife and confessed to killing Abby and Libby.
“I want to apologize to you,” he said. “I killed Abby and Libby.”
His wife denied his allegations, saying, “No, you didn’t.”
“Yes, I did,” Allen replied.
Allen continues several more times in the conversations, saying, “I think I did it.” In a different call to his mother, he says, “I’m worried you guys are not going to love me because I told you I did it.”
“Rick, don’t talk like this,” his mother says. “I think they’re just messing with your head.”
No, Mom, they’re not,” he replied.
“I just know you don’t have it in you,” she said.
“Mom, I wouldn’t sit here and tell you I did it if I didn’t.”
Other confessions include, “I need you to know that I did this … I’m just trying to be at peace with things … I have to let you know that I did it though … It’s OK, I did it… I did it, dear … I killed Abby and Libby.”
In every conversation, Allen’s family denies his confessions, saying the (prison) is messing with his mind. They try to encourage him to stay strong.
Allen also told his family he feels like he’s losing his mind and expresses concern about whether his family will still love him.
Unique knowledge
In May 2023, Allen confessed to Wala that he killed Abby and Libby. At that time, he told Wala he had intended to assault the girls but got spooked when he saw a van.
Prosecutors say that is the missing piece, information that only the killer would know.
Harshman said investigators did not have information about the van and the potential for it to be in the area at the time the girls were abducted until August of this year. Therefore, only the person who killed the girls would know that detail, he testified.
The van belongs to Carroll County resident Mark Weber. Weber lives at the end of a private drive that extends past County Road 625 West. The access road goes under High Bridge.
Harshman said the killer would be the only one having unique knowledge of the van.
The voice
After listening to the audio evidence, McLeland addressed the voice of Bridge Guy.
RICHARD ALLEN
He played the audio of Bridge Guy saying, “Girls … down the hill.”
“Do you recognize that voice,” he asked Harshman.
“Yes,” Harshman replied.
“Who do you believe that voice belongs to,” McLeland asked.
“The voice is Richard Allen,” Harshman said.
On cross-examination, defense attorney Brad Rozzi asked Harshman if Allen’s medications could have altered his voice.
McLeland objected, sighting speculation.
(Story continues in next post.)
Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:35 am to Gris Gris
No video
After the lunch break, McLeland attempted to admit into evidence a video it appeared he had received earlier in the day. The video, he said, would show Allen having to be restrained at the Cass County Jail after he was screaming, speaking lots of profanity, banging on his cell door, and telling a guard he was “going to kill him.”
The defense objected, having not seen the video. Special Judge Fran Gull allowed the defense 30 minutes to view the video. When they reconvened, the attorneys asked Gull to view the video in her chambers and then rule on if it could be admitted into evidence. After another 30-minute break for Gull to view the video, she sustained the Defense’s objection. The video will not be shown to jurors.
At 3:50 p.m., after 40 witnesses and more than 300 exhibits, the State rested.
Next up
The Defense’s first witness was Cheyenne Mill. Mill was in her early 20s when she and a friend traveled to the Monon High Bridge Trail to hike on Feb. 13, 2017. Mills testified that they arrived at the Mear’s trailhead around 2:50 p.m. and then walked to Freedom Bridge. On their way to Freedom Bridge, she saw an overweight man. She said hello to him, but he didn’t respond. Once their hike took them to the High Bridge, she saw a friend that she knew on the first platform.
Mills said she walked across High Bridge and then stopped at the first platform on her way back to her car. She sat with her friend on the first pavilion for about 15 minutes before returning to their car.
While on the trail and bridge, Mill testified she did not see the girls or hear anyone scream.
When they arrived at their car, they saw a man and a woman at the Mear’s entrance. It is believed it was Derrick German, Libby’s father, and Tara German, her aunt, who had arrived at the trail to search for the girls.
Mills said she called the police as soon as she knew the girls were reported missing. Two weeks later, police took her statement. Six months after that, she received a call from the FBI because the phone she was using had pinged off a tower near High Bridge. She didn’t hear from law enforcement again until 2023, she said.
On cross-examination, Stacey Diener questioned Mills on her original description of the man she said she saw on the trail.
“You said you passed a man, and he had a camera around his neck?” Diener asked.
“I assumed it was a camera,” Mills said. “I only saw him for a few minutes.
Search results
A look at a Google Search performed on Allen’s technology showed an October 2022 search for a movie about a man being held against his will. Allen, or someone using his device, also searched for “Stalker 2012,” “Killing of a Sacred Dear,” “Man held hostage by Teen,” Applied Ballistics, Lafayette, and multiple searches for Delphi.
Someone using the device also searched several times for Delphi murders and Monon High Bridge stories, Wildcat Valley Rifle Club, “Should I die now,” “Most disturbing movie ever,” “Horrifying things I can watch,” “Insidious things I can watch,” “What is the darkest (expletive) on Netflix,” “Most (expletive) up things to watch on Netflix,” “Disturbing and terrifying things on Netflix,” and a Delphi murder update from 2022.
Up next
The Defense will have its first full day of witnesses on Friday, Nov. 1. It is unknown who they will call to the stand. They released a verbal list of nearly 100 witnesses during jury selection. In the last week, they have subpoenaed Wala and Weber to testify.
LINK
The searches are interesting.
After the lunch break, McLeland attempted to admit into evidence a video it appeared he had received earlier in the day. The video, he said, would show Allen having to be restrained at the Cass County Jail after he was screaming, speaking lots of profanity, banging on his cell door, and telling a guard he was “going to kill him.”
The defense objected, having not seen the video. Special Judge Fran Gull allowed the defense 30 minutes to view the video. When they reconvened, the attorneys asked Gull to view the video in her chambers and then rule on if it could be admitted into evidence. After another 30-minute break for Gull to view the video, she sustained the Defense’s objection. The video will not be shown to jurors.
At 3:50 p.m., after 40 witnesses and more than 300 exhibits, the State rested.
Next up
The Defense’s first witness was Cheyenne Mill. Mill was in her early 20s when she and a friend traveled to the Monon High Bridge Trail to hike on Feb. 13, 2017. Mills testified that they arrived at the Mear’s trailhead around 2:50 p.m. and then walked to Freedom Bridge. On their way to Freedom Bridge, she saw an overweight man. She said hello to him, but he didn’t respond. Once their hike took them to the High Bridge, she saw a friend that she knew on the first platform.
Mills said she walked across High Bridge and then stopped at the first platform on her way back to her car. She sat with her friend on the first pavilion for about 15 minutes before returning to their car.
While on the trail and bridge, Mill testified she did not see the girls or hear anyone scream.
When they arrived at their car, they saw a man and a woman at the Mear’s entrance. It is believed it was Derrick German, Libby’s father, and Tara German, her aunt, who had arrived at the trail to search for the girls.
Mills said she called the police as soon as she knew the girls were reported missing. Two weeks later, police took her statement. Six months after that, she received a call from the FBI because the phone she was using had pinged off a tower near High Bridge. She didn’t hear from law enforcement again until 2023, she said.
On cross-examination, Stacey Diener questioned Mills on her original description of the man she said she saw on the trail.
“You said you passed a man, and he had a camera around his neck?” Diener asked.
“I assumed it was a camera,” Mills said. “I only saw him for a few minutes.
Search results
A look at a Google Search performed on Allen’s technology showed an October 2022 search for a movie about a man being held against his will. Allen, or someone using his device, also searched for “Stalker 2012,” “Killing of a Sacred Dear,” “Man held hostage by Teen,” Applied Ballistics, Lafayette, and multiple searches for Delphi.
Someone using the device also searched several times for Delphi murders and Monon High Bridge stories, Wildcat Valley Rifle Club, “Should I die now,” “Most disturbing movie ever,” “Horrifying things I can watch,” “Insidious things I can watch,” “What is the darkest (expletive) on Netflix,” “Most (expletive) up things to watch on Netflix,” “Disturbing and terrifying things on Netflix,” and a Delphi murder update from 2022.
Up next
The Defense will have its first full day of witnesses on Friday, Nov. 1. It is unknown who they will call to the stand. They released a verbal list of nearly 100 witnesses during jury selection. In the last week, they have subpoenaed Wala and Weber to testify.
LINK
The searches are interesting.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 4:50 pm to POTUS2024
quote:
that the van has to be there, and if it's not, then this all falls apart.
I have not looked at anything from today or that much of late yesterday, so I may be getting some stuff incorrect or mistake what’s emphasized trying to interpret summaries here.
I know the above quote is from the defense side, but if I am sitting on jury even proving Weber couldn’t have been on his driveway doesn’t prove a white van was not there.
Finding someone with a white van on drive way around that time would be a key piece of evidence validating Allen’s confession as being real and not under coercion like defense will try to prove.
Without it you have to weigh confession against whatever is used to try and prove coercion (or under extreme stress) along with showing Allen just using public info and making up anything in addition to public info. Hypothetically the only way it falls apart if someone’s security camera mysteriously arrives and shows no white van regardless of owner/driver was ever on that driveway during this timeframe which would make prove Allen was just making it up due to being mentally unstable.
One thing the defense showed is there could be a plausible explanation for the different descriptions of the alleged bridge guy. Allen wasn’t the only adult male walking on trail.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 4:55 pm to Gris Gris
quote:
After listening to the audio evidence, McLeland addressed the voice of Bridge Guy.
RICHARD ALLEN
He played the audio of Bridge Guy saying, “Girls … down the hill.”
I just found something that I hadn’t seen mentioned before by any of the others reporting on this. I mostly only read the reports so maybe it’s in a video.
This is from a yahoo article concerning that exact same testimony from Harshman by the prosecutor McLeland. Yahoo
quote:
As Harshman testified, the prosecution played audios of several calls that Allen made to his wife and mother. They later replayed the enhanced audio from the infamous "Bridge Guy" video, in which a man prosecutors allege to be Allen was seen following Abby on the high bridge. The girls, with hesitance, greeted the man. One said "hi," and the other said "hello." A man's voice was heard saying "Go down the hill."
I haven’t seen that reported before. “One said "hi," and the other said "hello.” If true this certainly dispels the idea that there was any previous interaction between the three. Sounds like he just walks straight up to them out of the blue. There was speculation earlier he walks past them first and maybe words were exchanged that pissed him off.
But this definitely would seem more inline with how he describes the encounter in his confession. Doesn’t it? Again I guess it goes back to what and when he knew of the 43 sec video in relation to his confession(s).
Also it seems like only some have reported to hearing the word “gun” from one of the girls in the video. I know it’s likely subjective as to what they are hearing and maybe they don’t all want to make the assumption but why not report what the prosecutors think it is being said then state whether it’s unclear.
Another thing. I’ve seen at least 3 different interpretations of what comes before the “down the hill” part. None make much difference as far as I can tell. A word precedes “down the hill”. Why cut it off in the public release? It’s part of the same sentence. I’ve seen it as “Go”, “Guys” and “Girls” then “down the hill”.
It’s so frustrating having to rely on second-hand details about what’s happening in the courtroom. These are people with varying levels of ability who are mostly only able to give broad overviews and when they provide details they are either missing some or choosing to report only what they think is important.
You have to follow so many just to get somewhat of a consensus. Seems it would have been better had a group of them just got together and contracted a few professional shorthanders/transcribers and let them document every word. Maybe a decent artist as well. I know it’s hard and I’m not blaming them at all.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 5:03 pm to WestSideTiger
He probably gets off if he could keep his mouth shut but the guilty conscience got him
Posted on 11/1/24 at 5:07 pm to WestSideTiger
I recall that one girl said "hi". I don't recall hearing the other said "hello", but I could have missed it in reading summaries from court.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 6:17 pm to TheWalrus
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He probably gets off if he could keep his mouth shut but the guilty conscience got him
The way he goes about is annoying as frick.
Seems to me he’s taking the approach of he really doesn’t remember doing what they say he did whether it’s due to him blacking out, being drunk/high, possessed, mental shite, whatever. So as the discovery evidence starts rolling in he’s trying to piece stuff together because he really wants to get to the bottom of it as well. Yeah fricking right. It even gets to the point where he’s sees enough that he’s suddenly convinced as well that he must have done it.
That’s the only way he knows how to cope with how he must look to other people. He wants people to believe he doesn’t remember any of it. He even sees himself on video walking up to the girls and basically claims “yeah that’s me but if that was from their phone there’s no way it was me”. Trying to act like he’s just as shocked as everybody else.
And his mother saying he just wasn’t in a good place back then. And we’re supposed to believe the poor guy got tortured in jail. He ain’t seen nothing yet. This MF basically got a 5 year reprieve based purely on luck and I’m supposed to feel sorry for him now. Well he can find God all he wants because God ain’t finding him back.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:12 pm to WestSideTiger
Based on the summaries I perused, I didn’t see much outstanding brought out by the defense today.
They lost their motions to bring in some voodoo cult business and third party possibilities. They couldn’t enter prison videos because they couldn’t prove the timing I believe. Seems they had more losses than wins, but I can’t say I looked in great detail.
They lost their motions to bring in some voodoo cult business and third party possibilities. They couldn’t enter prison videos because they couldn’t prove the timing I believe. Seems they had more losses than wins, but I can’t say I looked in great detail.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 1:35 am to lachellie
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I have a summons for jury duty tomorrow. Hopefully I don’t get picked. I will update as I am able, but no phones allowed in courthouse.
Did lachellie get picked for jury duty and then sequestered?
Last posts were on the morning after the above post which were likely before the jury duty process began.
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 4:53 am
Posted on 11/2/24 at 7:50 am to dallastigers
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I know the above quote is from the defense side, but if I am sitting on jury even proving Weber couldn’t have been on his driveway doesn’t prove a white van was not there.
This is true. The problem is that the prosecution is saying it's Weber's van. If they left this unresolved, they'd have nothing to use in saying Allen confessed something only the killer would know. He could make up the van just as he made up the confession, if you believe the false confession side of things. So they really need to place that van there and establish it's for real. So, if the Defense can neuter that, it's a pretty big deal for them.
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