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There is no vs. They coexist peacefully in my world.

we're talking normal use. normal drinking habits and normal tobacco use. point is no one has a problem with their kids becoming normal alcohol users, but dont want them to become tobacco users. at the same time those tobacco users love using it. what gives?

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i never met a tobacco user that said "i hate doing this."

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Really? Have you ever met any tobacco using adults?

MOST nicotine users I know would prefer to quit than use.

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why are you so against your kids one day doing it?

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I'm not against my kids drinking on when they are old enough to do so.

The long term health consequences of moderate alcohol use VS moderate nicotine/tobacco use have pretty drastic difference.

I dip and my wife smokes. I don't want my kids to smoke because it stinks. My 2 yr old son sees a cigarette butt and it goes straight to his mouth. The other day we were all outside and he puts one in his mouth so I lit it. Wife is freaking out. I took it away before he would try to perform magic tricks passing it between his hands. When he gets to level 5 I'm assuming he will be a pack a dayer.