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re: Defeat the Nurse Practitioner scope of practice expansion - Louisiana SB 187

Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25349 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:33 pm to
Have CRNA's been caring for veterans thus far without physician supervision?
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:34 pm to
Crnas know anesthesia. For all walks of life and that's all we care to know because that's all we do. That's why we aren't doctors. We are anesthetist.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:34 pm to
Yes without anesthesiologist supervision but under the supervision of a physician.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Parallax
Member since Feb 2016
1459 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:34 pm to
Ignoring your absolutely idiotic statement about outside of anesthesia, you've repeatedly said your anesthesia training is comparable.

Except it's not.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:36 pm to
When it's all you have to hold onto is outside of anesthesia then hold onto it. Doesn't change what I know about putting a patient to sleep and waking them up.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 5:37 pm
Posted by Parallax
Member since Feb 2016
1459 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:39 pm to
You're what most of the physicians in this thread have warned about. You have no idea what you don't know, which is scary.

But you're apparently God's gift to anesthesia despite starting your career wiping asses and I should be bowing to your abilities.

Good luck to you.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25349 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:41 pm to
quote:

When it's all you have to hold onto is outside of anesthesia then hold onto it. Doesn't change what I know about putting a patient to sleep and waking them up.


It is the fact that you believe there is an outside set of knowledge that does not matter beyond "putting a patient to sleep and waking them up" when dealing with patient care that he is laughing at.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25349 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

Yes without anesthesiologist supervision but under the supervision of a physician


So inside of the VA system where complication rates are well known to be high across all specialties and patients, and where the best and the brightest are seldom found, you think it is a bad idea to specify that the physician oversight you are already required to practice under be from a physician in the specialty of Anesthesia?


Considering you have repeatedly voiced that a singular restricted knowledge of anesthesia for some one who provides anesthesia is sufficient for patient care, I find this to be quite the conundrum.
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1964 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 5:50 pm to
I agree surgeons don't know aneathesia. Mine don't. Well one thinks he does. I'm not a surgeon. Don't think I am. Can't do surgery. Can suture some things. But I do do anesthesia without an anesthesiologist. The surgeons have to agree to this when they take a contract here. Not my rules. Works out for everyone.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:03 pm to
I know exactly what I don't know outside of anesthesia care. Y'all can't seem to see the difference between the two.

It's ok......I didn't do a urology rotation or a general surgery rotation.

I never once said I'm gods gift to anything either. But I can do anesthesia and I'm aware of my limitations in that speciality.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 6:05 pm
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:09 pm to
How much of the stool time involves playing candy crush on an iPhone?
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:11 pm to
Wrong again.

Anesthesia is a science, not an art. Medical education is relevant and that's why crna is not the same as a doctor and is indeed a midlevel, whatever that terms means
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:13 pm to
Doctors fear disease, complications, and trouble for patients. And we fear failure in treating disease or making mistakes, both of which can lead to death
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1964 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:22 pm to
Maybe he should have been playing candy crush instead. LINK
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:23 pm to
quote:

Anesthesia is a science, not an art.


If that was the case, then ologist would know how to hook up suction....

Anesthesia is an art.....science is intricate part of the art.
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1964 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:28 pm to
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L S Usetheforce


Dude I feel your pain. Save your breathe.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:20 pm to
Your type is precisely whats wrong with the direction medicine is heading in.

You knew what the limitations were for the profession of CRNA and yet you chose that path.

Now through, legislation, (NOT EDUCATION) you would like to practice medicine without actually being an MD.

Sorry, it has not, it does not, and it should not work this way. Crna's are pushing this, just like the NP's and its all about the ability to expand your income with complete disregard for patient advocacy.

Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:40 pm to
What limitation? You don't even understand the topic. CRNAs can currently do anesthesia In a VA hospital with a physician....moving forward Anesthesiologist are trying to limit it to only anesthesiologist supervision and not physicians.

Keep up dude. This has nothing absolutely nothing to do with education....it's about limitation in order to increase valuation.
Posted by BeaumontBengal
Member since Feb 2005
2377 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:47 pm to
How can a physician that is not an anesthesiologist effectively supervise the delivery of anesthesia? Legal or not, that makes no sense. Just a legislative battle CRNAs have won in their attempt to practice medicine without being a physician.
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
9924 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:48 pm to
The hours required to become a crna vs a np are incredibly different. So any argument that utilizes crna education as a tool simply reinforces the md's argument on this issue in my eyes.
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