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re: CVS to stop selling tobacco
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:16 pm to JawjaTigah
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:16 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
Only help me understand why my lungs and throat immediately constrict when I'm around 2nd or 3rd hand tobacco smoke for more than a minute and start feeling sick. Or why I can smell smoke in no-smoking rooms at motels and start feeling sick in the middle of the night.
sounds like you're a pussy
hope that helps
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Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:16 pm to JawjaTigah
No i am not.
I wanted to be nice but I agree
quote:
sounds like you're a pussy
I wanted to be nice but I agree
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:21 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:Why not? I means it doesn't hurt you.
No i am not.
As far as the juvenile name-calling, I guess that just says something about someone's ability to actually hold an intelligent conversation, even in disagreement.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:21 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
why my lungs and throat immediately constrict when I'm around 2nd or 3rd hand tobacco smoke for more than a minute and start feeling sick
4th hand smoke ok?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:22 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
Why not? I means it doesn't hurt you.
When did I say that?
You are the reason I defend smokers. People like you make insane claims back by selective science and paranoia then punish people for making choices that have no effect on you.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:22 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:I don't know, what is that - the putrid black ashy scrapings from the interior of some smoker's diseased lung?
4th hand smoke ok?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:23 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
3rd hand tobacco
what's third hand smoke?
Is that like when someone gets a shotgun and then exhales and someone else smells it?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:24 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
I don't know, what is that
I don't know I figured if there was 3rd hand smoke there would be 4th hand...oh wait people only have 2 hands...i feel dumb
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:29 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:I am pretty sure you said you don't...
When did I say that?
quote:You did mention in your previous post that you had smoked a little, but you were a big proponent of personal freedom. The only difference here that I see is that I never smoked, never wanted to, and feel sick around any kind of tobacco smoke. I've been called OCD, a pussy for that. But am I not also for personal freedom, in this case, my own? Freedom to dislike being anywhere around any type of smoke and freedom to choose to never put myself in that situation knowingly? It's my free choice.
worry about things that have a very small chance of killing me.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:35 pm to JawjaTigah
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Oh, what a relief. I am so glad you know more than the Mayo Clinic and so many other leading specialists who spend their lives dealing with the collateral damage smokers cause.
I'm so glad to see you are so completely void of common sense to believe that "thirdhand smoke" is a deadly as actually smoking.
Your Mayo clinic article did not make this claim. You third article came out and said that they don't even know the extent of the risk with it.
How many people do you know that have died from "thirdhand" (what a stupid term
) smoke? How about secondhand smoke? I'm going to guess it's zero, as these people couldn't Name three. I guess I just prefer more long-term studies on people, as opposed to locking rats in aquariums with 5 cigarettes burning sidestream smoke 24-7.
quote:
No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.
Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.
https://www.bmj.com/content/326/7398/1057
quote:
BTW, I'm guessing you're a smoker, or were...
Former smoker
I don't need to "guess". I know you are lacking in the common sense department if you believe that "thirdhand" smoke is as deadly as actively smoking.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:36 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:Clearly, in your edited post, you aren't going to be persuaded by the real science on those links I originally posted. Ok, it's your freedom to reject facts in favor of your own anecdotal worldview. It's your freedom to reject all science if you want to. But these are not insane claims that I am making; I'm just the messenger along this thread. The links speak for themselves. If you can provide links to credible science that disputes this information, great. Oh, and while you're at it, how are the last 3 Marlboro men doing these days?
You are the reason I defend smokers. People like you make insane claims back by selective science and paranoia then punish people for making choices that have no effect on you.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:37 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
I had two chain-smoking parents, one who died of heart disease and diabetes, the other from COPD complications.
You should be dead
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:39 pm to MrFreakinMiyagi
quote:So you've run out of functional brain cells? I wish you well, Miyagi.
You should be dead
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:41 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
t's your freedom to reject all science if you want to
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:47 pm to MrFreakinMiyagi
R.I.P. - Marlboro Man He died of COPD, same as my mom.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:49 pm to JawjaTigah
Lots of people smoke all their lives and don't die of cancer. Lots of people don't smoke and die of cancer.
Death is undefeated.
Death is undefeated.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:50 pm to JawjaTigah
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R.I.P. - Marlboro Man He died of COPD
That settles it.
Another longtime smoker died, therefore people are dropping like flies, due to "thirdhand" smoke.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:55 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:This is almost true, with one notable exception. But we won't talk theology now. For the rest of us, 100% of us won't make it out of this life alive. However, we can choose to put ourselves at greater risk to check out earlier, and in far more discomfort.
Death is undefeated.
BTW, cancer is not the only disease impacted by smoking (1st, 2nd, or 3rd hand smoke). COPD, heart disease, asthma, and a whole bunch of other serious diseases are linked directly to tobacco products and that includes active smokers and those who are breathing or touching their smoky output.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:01 pm to JawjaTigah
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COPD, heart disease, asthma, and a whole bunch of other serious diseases are linked directly to tobacco products and that includes active smokers and those who are breathing or touching their smoky output.
I know. All of those diseases aren't limited to smokers though.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:02 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Didn't say they were. But they are definitely linked with tobacco usage.
All of those diseases aren't limited to smokers though.
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