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Posted on 3/1/14 at 1:21 pm to Scruffy
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SUBMIT!
SUBMIT!
Whatever keeps me breathing...
He was drunk.
He had just assaulted someone else.
The cop probably told him what to do. Had he done it correctly he would still be alive. It would never have come to the point of physical action to MAKE him submit.
So you feel the guy played it the correct way, I guess???
Posted on 3/1/14 at 1:30 pm to LCA131
Of course.
If I am getting my face punched by a guy on top of me and I have access to a weapon, I can assure the outcome would be the same.
How can any sane peron say the cop acted wrong?
If I am getting my face punched by a guy on top of me and I have access to a weapon, I can assure the outcome would be the same.
How can any sane peron say the cop acted wrong?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 1:30 pm to Spaulding Smails
quote:
He was aiming for the Dalmatian
Posted on 3/1/14 at 1:42 pm to BamaScoop
There are plenty of should have/could have's, but at the end of the day, if you pin a cop who is trying to arrest you on the ground and start pummeling his head against the pavement, you are going to either get shot or spend decades in prison. You simply can't do that, under just about any circumstance.
Hell, even wrestling with a cop on the ground risks getting you shot. If it's a one on one situation where the cop's weapon is vulnerable, and he has no backup, you can't risk letting the suspect grab your gun from you.
The courtroom is where you fight police action, not in the street.
Hell, even wrestling with a cop on the ground risks getting you shot. If it's a one on one situation where the cop's weapon is vulnerable, and he has no backup, you can't risk letting the suspect grab your gun from you.
The courtroom is where you fight police action, not in the street.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 1:46 pm to donRANDOMnumbers
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After watching the video, the use of deadly force is a little rediculous.
No mace or taser available?
Two or 3 more punches and that cop is unconscious, completely vulnerable to being beaten to death or shot with his own weapon. There is no time to decide whether to go for the taser or for the pistol. The officer made a lot of mistakes getting in to the position where he was on the ground, but he was likely trying to just be nice to the guy on his wedding and not have to tase him. Then things got out of control and he had no choice.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 1:47 pm to tilco
I'm a cop and where I work back up can be 15 minutes away. All u care about is going home in the morning. If you try to fight it's gonna be a bad day for you. 
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/1/14 at 1:50 pm to sloggdogg81
quote:
I'm a cop
If people comply with your instructions do you ever shoot them?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:04 pm to LCA131
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On the video he CLEARLY was not complying with the commands. Had he submitted in the fashion we have all seen 1000's of times in person and on TV he would be alive. It is not that hard to comply.
Agreed the guy was resisting being cuffed, that is NOT a fight.
The fight started as a result of the cop's decision to knee the guy's face in to the concrete.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:07 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Agreed the guy was resisting being cuffed, that is NOT a fight.
The fight started as a result of the cop's decision to knee the guy's face in to the concrete.
At last, you agree with me..The guy was wrong to not comply. HAD he COMPLIED, he would have been handcuffed, would not have escalated things into a fight and would still be married.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:10 pm to LCA131
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On the video he CLEARLY was not complying with the commands
Not a fight.
Drunk, resisting but not fighting. I don't see how anyone can watch that video and believe there was a fight. In fact, it was fairly boring for most of it. The fight started when he got a knee to the head. Off duty officer working security at the Marriott could have done a lot of things differently.
When he ended up on the ground getting punched, I have no problem with his lethal use of force though.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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resisting but not fighting
Starting to split hairs here...
Just comply and live.
I think Richard Pryor said something to the effect
There are a lot of live cowards...I know some brave men dead as a motherfricker...(paraphrased so no quotes)
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:17 pm to LCA131
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resisting but not fighting
Starting to split hairs here...
Absolutely not. Nothing even close. The guy on the ground wasn't fighting, he just wouldn't comply. It got ugly and turned into a fight when he took a knee to the head.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:23 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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So what caused it go from a guy resisting being handcuffed to a life and death struggle?
I guess you don't quite grasp "root cause.
The answer to your question is "resisting arrest".
Revisiting arrest is what led to everything else.
Getting killed on duty isn't really an occupational hazard for many of us. Buts it's always a possibility with a police officer. Knowing that reality, cooperating with a police officer is almost always a pretty good idea.
Had the firefighter allowed himself to be handcuffed, he would be at home with his family. The firefighter is responsible for his own death.
Agree or disagree, I don't care. I'm going to continue to cooperate with police officers.
You do what you think best for you.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Absolutely not
Absolutely so...PD reaches for your wrist and you pull away. He steps closer or grabs and you push his hand away....Resisting? He takes your wrist and you knock his hand away or twist loose...fighting?
Fighting is not just being the aggressor...a lot of martial arts are mostly defense but it is fighting.
He just should have complied.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
He took a knee because he was resisting to be restrained. He was a threat as he proved when the fight broke out.
Do you seriously think had the firefighter allowed himself to be cuffed, the cop would have shot him? Or put a knee on his neck?
Do you seriously think had the firefighter allowed himself to be cuffed, the cop would have shot him? Or put a knee on his neck?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:27 pm to LCA131
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Fighting is not just being the aggressor...a lot of martial arts are mostly defense but it is fighting.
Dear god.
The man was resisting. Getting kneed in the head turned it into a fight. It's clear as day on the video.
Everyone agrees the off duty officer did what he had to do in the end tough.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Everyone agrees the off duty officer did what he had to do in the end though.
But here is where I think you are wrong. It should never have gone to the knee part. Obvs. the cop felt like, for w/e reason, he was fighting...and probably for his life. Certainly at the end, but before that too.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:42 pm to LCA131
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At last, you agree with me..The guy was wrong to not comply. HAD he COMPLIED, he would have been handcuffed, would not have escalated things into a fight and would still be married.
Again you must not have watched the video. He was not complying in a non-violent way then the cop choose to escalate things to violence when he kneed his face in to the concrete.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 2:46 pm to VerlanderBEAST
You are not intelligent enough to be involved in a semi-intelligent conversation.
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