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re: CNBC: Fed again approves 0.75-point hike in response to rapid inflation

Posted on 11/2/22 at 4:37 pm to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 4:37 pm to
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Why China and their "Zero Covid" lockdowns have some of the lowest inflation rates currently in the world?


A couple thoughts that come to mind:
1) China fully embraces the frick out of fossil fuels, roughly 70% of their energy comes from coal
2) They're not printing and giving away trillions of dollars like we are...kinda hard for a wage price spiral to take hold when you're a communist country and the government gives a big frick you to the populace
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 4:51 pm to
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Didn't they rely on Russia for their energy?


The Russia/Ukraine war affects not just immediate supply chains, but global prices(as does OPEC and other production disruptions).

But again, it's not that simple. more socialist Canada has only slightly higher gas prices yet lower inflation? If this correlation was the primary causation, we shouldnt be seeing that
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
34549 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 4:56 pm to
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But again, it's not that simple. more socialist Canada has only slightly higher gas prices yet lower inflation? If this correlation was the primary causation, we shouldnt be seeing that



You're almost there, what else makes Canada vastly different from Europe?
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 4:56 pm to
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They're not printing and giving away trillions of dollars like we are


Have you seen their "ghost cities?"

or followed their own stimulus plans?
LINK

They literally have been running a massive stimulus program for decades.

I think people continue to want to try and axiomatically align the causes and solutions on global inflation along the largely domestic political fault lines they are comfortable with and that simply doesnt neatly work when you drill down into it.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 4:58 pm to
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what should biden have done to prevent global supply chain disruptions?


JFC you a dumber than Joe Biden

How about I tell you all the things the democrats did to exacerbate the situation….
1. Continually pushed for more checks in the mail during COVID while everyone was at home not spending money
2. Rent moratorium
3. Student loan forgiveness
4. Attack on oil and gas (energy is the number 1 driver of inflation)
5. Increasing government regulation which increases the cost of everything.

So frick you for trying to say Biden couldn’t have done anything about global supply chains. If global supply chain issues were a brush fire, Biden poured kerosene on it and started a massive wild fire.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35895 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:01 pm to
Higher gas prices and high inflation have some similar but many different drivers. As has been broken out in this thread.

Oil and gas prices are driven by an open market, not the oil companies as the administration would love you to believe. They are price takers, not price makers.

Regardless, just for fun here are the individual years with the highest gas inflation in the last 50 years:

1980 - Jimmy Carter (38.97%)
2021 - Joe Biden (36%)
2022 - Joe Biden (35.58%)
1974 - Gerald Ford (35.36%)
1979 - Jimmy Carter (35.34%)
2000 - Bill Clinton (28.4%)
2011 - Barack Obama (26.45%)

It's almost like there's a theme there, and it seems to be a party that is openly hostile toward oil.

Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:02 pm to
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1. Continually pushed for more checks in the mail during COVID while everyone was at home not spending money
2. Rent moratorium


Remind me who was president in 2020 and started sending out checks and committed to rent moratoriums?

Here, let me help you lol

LINK

Also, lots of countries did similar and some have worse inflation, some less. Again, not sure you would be able to find sufficient supporting evidence to back this argument up
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 5:05 pm
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:03 pm to
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1. Continually pushed for more checks in the mail during COVID while everyone was at home not spending money


Trump handed out multiple stimulus and PPP

quote:

4. Attack on oil and gas (energy is the number 1 driver of inflation)


Current levels of US oil production have little to do with the sitting president (historically shitty prices, future WTI prices much lower than current, covid lockdowns beginning in 2020/decreased demand and subsequent supply, oil and gas bankruptcies, etc)

quote:

5. Increasing government regulation which increases the cost of everything.


What does this have anything to do with steel and other materials/goods imported from overseas?

its like you people are so politically mesmerized that everything you perceive as good is due to your fave political guy where everything bad is due to your least fave political guy

again, this shite is happening all over the world, not just in the USA
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35895 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:04 pm to
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or followed their own stimulus plans?
LINK


May want to take into account population...where they have 4.25x as many people as we do.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
34549 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:04 pm to
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Remind me who was president in 2020 and started sending out checks and committed to rent moratoriums?



It was a mistake then and it was an even bigger mistake to keep playing COVID well into 2022.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35895 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:07 pm to
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Current levels of US oil production have little to do with the sitting president (historically shitty prices, future WTI prices much lower than current, covid lockdowns beginning in 2020/decreased demand and subsequent supply, oil and gas bankruptcies, etc)


So you think that a president coming into office and flat out saying "I'm going to shut you down" and signing a bunch of executive orders on day 1 leads to those energy companies to say "yeah, I'm going to keep pumping billions into new infrastructure and production?", and do you not think that the market that sets the price doesn't react to that type of stuff?

I can't tell if you're just trolling at this point.
Posted by bad93ex
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:09 pm to
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So you think that a president coming into office and flat out saying "I'm going to shut you down" and signing a bunch of executive orders on day 1 leads to those energy companies to say "yeah, I'm going to keep pumping billions into new infrastructure and production?", and do you not think that the market that sets the price doesn't react to that type of stuff?



According to them that was them not being nice to the O&G companies and shouldn't affect prices.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:10 pm to
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its like you people are so politically mesmerized that everything you perceive


The current person witting in the WH stealing from your future is the one who swore to end fossil fuels.


That rock you live under must be air tight.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:11 pm to
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According to them that was them not being nice to the O&G companies and shouldn't affect prices.



Which isnt hypocritical at all.... considering how they still REEEEE over mean tweets.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6821 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:13 pm to
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So you think that a president coming into office and flat out saying "I'm going to shut you down" and signing a bunch of executive orders on day 1 leads to those energy companies to say "yeah, I'm going to keep pumping billions into new infrastructure and production?", and do you not think that the market that sets the price doesn't react to that type of stuff?


Should i post the graph again? The US is the current leading producer of crude oil, in the world. Also, US production is trending to surpass peak production levels (2019 levels) in the next year. How fast do you expect production to return to pre-pandemic levels? Do you realize breakeven prices are currently much higher for every producer? ie it much more expensive to drill a well today than it was in 2019. Future prices are also much lower in the future than they are today.

On top of all this, interest rates are going up so cost of capital will be much higher for oil and gas companies




This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 5:18 pm
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:17 pm to
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It was a mistake then and it was an even bigger mistake to keep playing COVID well into 2022.



But again, if you want to play this game you need to similarly explain why countries like France, Switzerland, Norway, and Canada have experienced less inflation despite similar stimulus spending, lockdowns, and even more robust safety nets?

It's just not the clean partisan causes/effects people are seeking.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:17 pm to
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Should i post the graph again



Just answer the damned question instead of deflecting. f Even a high schooler knows investment backs under the current progressive attacks.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6821 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:19 pm to
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Just answer the damned question instead of deflecting. f Even a high schooler knows investment backs under the current progressive attacks.



production is trending up and will surpass 2019 levels in the near future, how fast do you expect it to rebound? do you think theres a switch oil companies flip to increase shut in production?

investments also backs when oil falls to -$40/bbl
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 5:21 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297624 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:20 pm to
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But again, if you want to play this game you need to similarly explain why countries like France, Switzerland, Norway, and Canada have experienced less inflation despite similar stimulus spending, lockdowns, and even more robust safety nets?


quote:

The only industrialized country that spent a higher percentage of its GDP than the United States on Covid-related fiscal stimulus was Singapore.



Probably because we subsidize the shite out of European nations through military welfare and have different Fed policies than they do.

That was easy.



This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4357 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:28 pm to
Isn't US oil production basically at the same level it was prior to Covid?
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