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re: Chevron payments make up nearly 24% of Richmond general fund, CA city reveals accidentally

Posted on 10/28/25 at 7:44 pm to
Posted by tigerfan 64
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 7:44 pm to
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The Valero refinery in benecia is set to close in April/May

Valero has also promised to still deliver fuel to Cali. This means cali loses the corporate taxes, payroll taxes, direct and indirect jobs due to their corporate strong arm tactics.
This will surely bolster Gavins Whitehouse run
Posted by member12
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 7:47 pm to
I suspect they think they can redevelop the refinery after it closes. But they definitely won’t let Chevron just pack up and leave. They’ll fine them for everything on that property, real or imagined.

It’s ideological. Not practical.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 7:50 pm to
California doesn't actually need the production. And their refiners can't really export their product and compete.

In reality, the reduction of capacity is a natural end to refining and probably a precursor to what will become the national trend. No point in keeping old refining capacity online when it is no longer profitable and works against future earnings.

Downvoters, please explain how abandoning profitable income isn't an opening for lawsuits from investors. Reducing refining in Cali is a strategic calculation by refiners. Those looking from the outside to supply realize they are losing market flexibility as it takes weeks to react to a market demand spike. This is the new norm for the country supply. Demand spikes are not easily stopped.
This post was edited on 10/28/25 at 9:04 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 7:52 pm to
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think they can redevelop the refinery after it closes. But they definitely won’t let Chevron just pack up and leave. They’ll fine them for everything on that property, real or imagined.


They'll still charge them property and inventory tax. Charge them tax on tax. When it becomes unprofitable Chevron will shutdown more but right now Chevron is just focusing on moving to markets they can compete in.
Posted by GregMaddux
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:30 pm to
Isnt richmond a pretty conservative part of CA?
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:44 pm to
This town is like one of those failed oil states.
Posted by artompkins
Orange Beach, Al
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:56 pm to
My first job as a process engineer was at that refinery. Richmond is a ghetto shite hole. I took a 50% pay cut after 1 year to move back to the gulf coast.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 6:07 pm
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 8:59 pm to
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quote:Chevron should close the refinery. Pack it up and move it to Texas or Louisiana. Don't leave it to be restarted by another California owned company. Make CA have to totally build one from the ground up.

Why?


Because they will be leaving themselves wide open to lawsuits. There isn’t a contract clause or verbiage that would prevent it in that state.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:04 pm to
Who is filing a lawsuit then?
Posted by Enfuego
Uptown
Member since Mar 2009
9956 posts
Posted on 10/28/25 at 9:58 pm to
Chevron won’t be spending another dollar in LA after the coastal lawsuit. I wouldn’t be surprised if they closed down their campus on the north shore. LA is just as bad as CA in that respect.
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 11:07 pm to
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Who is filing a lawsuit then?


State of California, community and environmental groups. Same that are doing it now. Selling it doesn’t get them off the hook, due to Superfund.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/28/25 at 11:25 pm to
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Where does the crude come from? Alaska? Assuming it makes a lot of financial sense to have refineries in California or else they wouldn’t be there


It used to come from California. It's a heavy high sulfur crude refinery. It did once get a good bit during Alaska's heyday. It could use crude from Canada via the export terminal in BC which is about the same as California crude oil.

Over 20 years ago, when a friend was working for Plant Reclamation a very major industrial demolition contractor, he performed a paid study on cost to decommission, demolish and remediate Chevron's flagship refinery in El Segundo. The reason for the study was that Chevron was tired of all the petty pissant lawsuits from local and state government. After this they backed off.

California has been screwing refining in CA for over 35 years. I was at Shell's Wilmington Refinery/Carson site to take it down 34 years ago. Shell had decided to expand its Singapore Refinery and import gasoline from there instead of deal with all the onerous and stupid regs by California. They did sell part to Unocal which had very old units and cheaper to buy the Wilmington site from Shell than build new. They had all recently been through a major in situ upgrade, plus brand new SCOT and Claus units for sulfur recovery. These part of Valero's refinery in Wilmington now and about to be closed.

PEMEX EVP of refining would have loved to have purchased the cat cracker of early 1980's vintage due he needed 3 like it for unleaded gasoline needs in Mexico City but PEMEX wouldn't fund it. Instead PEMEX bought half interest in Shell's Deer Park refinery and expanded the alkylation and coking production to get 50,000 BPD of unleaded gasoline base.

Another refinery was shutdown the same time as Shell, a smaller indie refiner. It had also been through a major upgrade with a new hydrocracker and coker units in the mid 1980's. It is now sitting in pieces in a yard in Houston after being 80+% refurbished to be re-erected in Romania, when finances by a German bank were cancelled.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13733 posts
Posted on 10/28/25 at 11:43 pm to
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Believe it or not, LA was a big oil town. Used to be wells everywhere.

The tar flats that trapped dinosaurs made this so obvious hundreds of thousands of years ago that the La Brea tar pits are a thing.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76466 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 5:57 am to
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State of California, community and environmental groups. Same that are doing it now. Selling it doesn’t get them off the hook, due to Superfund


They only have to clean the site if they leave, I doubt they leave the site.

Or they will weigh leaving the site costs versus running a terminal to prevent paying the costs.
This post was edited on 10/29/25 at 6:03 am
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
28061 posts
Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:16 am to
Well their governor grew up in the hood eating mayo sandwiches and mac/cheese so what.

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