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Chemical Industry hiding/skewing medical testing
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:19 pm
Brain cancer and Vinyl Chloride
Let's get a few things out of the way. Yes I am an Operator, no I do not have truck nuts or a jacked up F250, I am a college dropout (3 semesters left at LSU I will finish one day).
This hits home for me as my first plant job was in a Vinyl Chloride Monomer [VCM] unit. I've seen quite a few different cancers there. I actually took my best friend's dad'dad's spot on shift when I started. I was lucky enough to get out after a couple of years to a much cleaner and safer process.
Money isn't worth more than quality of life to me. Just wanted to post this for all of those out there that may come into contact with whatever chemicals you are around, use PPE. I take pride in taking extra time and doing it safe and reducing exposure.
After all our pay is because of life expectancy.
Let's get a few things out of the way. Yes I am an Operator, no I do not have truck nuts or a jacked up F250, I am a college dropout (3 semesters left at LSU I will finish one day).
This hits home for me as my first plant job was in a Vinyl Chloride Monomer [VCM] unit. I've seen quite a few different cancers there. I actually took my best friend's dad'dad's spot on shift when I started. I was lucky enough to get out after a couple of years to a much cleaner and safer process.
Money isn't worth more than quality of life to me. Just wanted to post this for all of those out there that may come into contact with whatever chemicals you are around, use PPE. I take pride in taking extra time and doing it safe and reducing exposure.
After all our pay is because of life expectancy.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:24 pm to ruger35
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After all our pay is because of life expectancy.
You think Ops get paid good because we are expected to die sooner? Just want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:27 pm to Arkapigdiesel
You are exposed to more risks and higher chances of developing chronic diseases. At my first plant if you cut the pay in half no one in their right mind is messing with that stuff.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:31 pm to ruger35
I'm not saying that is the sole reason, but it is definitely a factor.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:41 pm to ruger35
Working in a VCM unit is like signing up to get cancer. The guys that do it are either reckless or uneducated about the risks.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:15 pm to fightin tigers
I'm an operator in a VCM unit....
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:11 pm to geauxcats10
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I'm an operator in a VCM unit....

Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:26 pm to ruger35
and all, for The Love of Money, more than anything else...
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:27 pm to ruger35
We've known about the dangers of prolonged exposure to vinyl chloride for a long time
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:31 pm to ruger35
RUGER,
did you, or anyone there wear an organic vapor mask?!
I once worked in a Clean Room, and went straight to the cage for a mask after reading the warning label on the cement I was to mix...people made fun of me til they finally bothered to read the label, then they all were wearing a mask...
did you, or anyone there wear an organic vapor mask?!
I once worked in a Clean Room, and went straight to the cage for a mask after reading the warning label on the cement I was to mix...people made fun of me til they finally bothered to read the label, then they all were wearing a mask...
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:15 pm to ruger35
It is not just Vinyl Chloride Monomer production and reaction plants that are of concern. Ethylenesamines production facilities generate VCM as a by product too. It is listed as about a 1 - 2% reaction product but it can be more concentrated depending on where in the process the sample is taken from.
I remember visiting one such site in Texas and seeing the Mexican (English as a second language) lab workers holding open reactor samples up to their noses outside of the vent hoods as they "looked" at the samples.
These plants typically don't have any health monitoring system for VCM and the Mexican workers have no specific chemistry training to even know what it is they are potentially handling. I can only shake my head in pity.
My advice to you is to get the frick out of the VCM facility unless you are completely protected during any possible exposure. It has been very well known for years to be a carcinogenic problem.
I remember visiting one such site in Texas and seeing the Mexican (English as a second language) lab workers holding open reactor samples up to their noses outside of the vent hoods as they "looked" at the samples.
These plants typically don't have any health monitoring system for VCM and the Mexican workers have no specific chemistry training to even know what it is they are potentially handling. I can only shake my head in pity.
My advice to you is to get the frick out of the VCM facility unless you are completely protected during any possible exposure. It has been very well known for years to be a carcinogenic problem.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:37 pm to retired trucker
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RUGER,
did you, or anyone there wear an organic vapor mask?!
I once worked in a Clean Room, and went straight to the cage for a mask after reading the warning label on the cement I was to mix...people made fun of me til they finally bothered to read the label, then they all were wearing a mask...
Anytime we were dealing with VCM it was required to wear fresh air masks and proper chemical suits. Now if there was an emergency or someone was in a rush, of course things were done that were needed to keep the plant running. But that is the culture problems you see at a lot of older plants.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:40 pm to Flame Salamander
It is not just the VCM production units as you say, but downstream the guys in PVC and other refined products also deal with it. I think people know the possibilities of what could happen, but most people never expected to happen to them. And I don't think the percentages or risks are presented and discussed in the proper dialogues.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:43 pm to ruger35
When I was a teenager I spent 2 hours a day hovering over a vat of MEK with my arms submerged in it cleaning parts.
No gloves
Still amazed I'm alive today.
Cancer rate in that place was 1:10
No gloves
Still amazed I'm alive today.
Cancer rate in that place was 1:10
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:45 pm to ruger35
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LSU I will finish one day).
No you wont
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:49 pm to ksayetiger
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No you wont
Once the wife is done with nursing school, yes I will.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:54 pm to Old Sarge
quote:
When I was a teenager I spent 2 hours a day hovering over a vat of MEK with my arms submerged in it cleaning parts.
No gloves
Still amazed I'm alive today.
Cancer rate in that place was 1:10
a co-worker used to boil beamsplitters [ optics ]
in a container of methylene chloride...he croaked not too long after I started there...survived by his 18yo daughter...who worked there too
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:59 pm to ruger35
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required to wear fresh air masks and proper chemical suits
never used one, did you feel safe using those?
I suppose the plant reeked of chemicals
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:30 pm to ruger35
May room mate for a few semesters during college went to work as a plant operator after graduation (he was a history major) in 1977. I don't know what kind of unit he worked in, but he died from pancreatic cancer when he was 45. I ran into his wife some years later who told me that every person that worked in his unit was eventually diagnosed with cancer, with pancreatic being the most common. The company's industrial hygiene people continue to say there is no problem.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:37 pm to ruger35
A guy on another LSU site was a lobbyist for the Louisiana Chemical Association and swore that chemical plants were 100% risk free. His melts were epic when something like this came up.
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