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re: Cancel Culture Origin
Posted on 8/23/22 at 9:53 pm to Salmon
Posted on 8/23/22 at 9:53 pm to Salmon
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Country radio stations decided that nobody should hear Dixie Chicks. It wasn't a boycott. It was the very definition of "cancel culture"
Country music stations followed their audience to not lose advertising money based on ratings and target market (They left has that covered today and protects companies that go against their customers).
Even if sales didn’t immediately decline it wasn’t necessarily due to country music fans still buying records. There was a pretty good effort by media and other elites to label them as heroes. Temporarily they got even more fans who wouldn’t normally be country music fans. They also got Interview with Diane Sawyer, Cover of Entertainment weekly, support from Springsteen & others, appearing at Rock the Vote deal, winning Grammys.
That’s why this really was not the same thing as being canceled today and closer to a boycott. They weren’t threatened with completely losing their business, job, house, and so on. They had other doors to open, support from elites in industry, won grammys, and so on; and they even said that they stopped considering themselves country music musicians. Their long hiatus was after winning a Grammy for album of the year in 2007.
Country fans may have influence on country music stations, but how powerful are country music fans and stations for that matter compared to google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Big Media companies, and leftist hedge funds. Those are the true power behind cancellations.
Boycotts are bottom up pushes by real people to push for change even if misguided at times. Cancellations just pretend to be grassroots but most are really top down. They use some real people mixed with paid protestors and use some posts by some real people mixed with some from fake profiles and bots along with trending algorithms to push as being grassroots the agenda of the leftist and liberal elites who run big tech, big media, and other corporations and hedge funds. Cancellations don’t push change or accept change but just seek to punish and destroy those who they don’t agree with politically and use this to scare any further dissent.
Dixie Chicks survived a boycott by country music fans and some stations and pushed themselves to the left, but they wouldn’t have survived cancellation if they had decided to keep the Dixie in Dixie Chicks.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:08 pm to Tunica
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You can thank the Obama era
Chappelle has jokes about getting cancelled from the early 2000s.
In the very first episode with the Clayton Bigsby skit I think he makes a reference about how it might get him cancelled. Or maybe he said something like "this is going to set black people back 200 years. frick it".
People started getting "cancelled" in the 90s. Its just that social media has brought it to everyone's attention more and people get "cancelled" for posting shite on social media.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:08 pm to efrad
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meanwhile the album was at the top of the country charts for months afterwards...
How was this measured? Was their music labeled country music and on country charts regardless of who bought it; or did country music charts just measure what country music fans were purchasing or poll country music fans if it’s was not based on actual sales?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:18 pm to Loup
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I'm too young to remember but didn't Dee Snider testify in the senate because pearl clutching right wingers (whoops, nvm, it was tipper gore) were trying to cancel rock music? There was also McCarthyism back in the day where anybody even suspected of being communist could be cancelled. Hell, the Greeks would banish or ostracize people if they were the most hated. It's been going on for a long time.
Yeah there were actually a lot of pushback on rock (hard rock) in the 80s especially people like Ozzy, Motley Crue. People thought they all worshipped the devil. In the early 90s both parties were trying to cancel gangsta rap.
They saw the part in the movie Straight Out Of Compton when they took a bunch of NWA's CDs and tapes and set them on fire... And Eazy E tells the others, who were mad that people were doing that to their album something like "they still had to buy them to do this demonstration. Who cares what they do with them after they buy them?".
I remember 2 Live Crew made this song.
Banned In The USA
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:58 pm to efrad
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meanwhile the album was at the top of the country charts for months afterwards...
You appear to be a liar.
Wide Open Spaces was released January 23, 1998. Main made her comments March 10, 2003. The album was not on the charts around that time, although prior in February 2003 it had been certified platinum.
So you’re a liar. GFY.
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Just like every time now someone says something pro-Trump or against the mainstream narrative, they get cancelled in the media but behind the scenes the product flies off the shelves
That’s actually the opposite. Are you stupid?
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 12:00 am
Posted on 8/24/22 at 5:48 am to Roaad
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Boycott= I don't like it, so I won't consume it
Canceling= I don't like it, so NOBODY can consume it.
Close.
Boycott = "We won't give you any business until you change your behavior".
Cancel = "You must be destroyed".
Posted on 8/24/22 at 7:44 am to LSUPHILLY72
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Conservatives like to blame liberals but the 1st example I can think of were The Dixie Chicks in the early 2000's (now The Chicks due to cc).
I remember tipper gore but it goes further back than that.
You also had hippies and environmentalists wanting to cancel businesses.
Happened in China during the cultural revolution.
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