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Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:23 pm to lsunurse
It's definitely a trend, and 10 or so years from now it could trickle down to the rural hospitals everywhere, but BSNs in those areas are invaluable right now- there aren't enough, and most don't want to work in a small place.
It probably won't affect clinics anytime soon, though. BSNs are usually too expensive to employ in that setting where their training isn't particularly more beneficial than the "lesser" nursing degrees (don't think that I'm saying they're the same; I'm not. The difference doesn't justify the cost for that model of employment). Read from the OPs point of view, she'll probably make less that way, but she may even be more employable if that's what she wants to do.
It probably won't affect clinics anytime soon, though. BSNs are usually too expensive to employ in that setting where their training isn't particularly more beneficial than the "lesser" nursing degrees (don't think that I'm saying they're the same; I'm not. The difference doesn't justify the cost for that model of employment). Read from the OPs point of view, she'll probably make less that way, but she may even be more employable if that's what she wants to do.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:23 pm to LNCHBOX
I already said it was another poster. Anyways...I'm done feeding into your need to argue in every thread. You really are a total dick on here in that regards and I'm sure many posters will back me up in that sentiment.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:24 pm to lsunurse
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I already said it was another poster
Not when I responded to you.
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...I'm done feeding into your need to argue in every thread. You really are a total dick on here in that regards and I'm sure many posters will back me up in that sentiment.
Sorry that your information isn't correct for the OP's scenario and I corrected you. I'll do my best to not show where you are wrong ever again. My bad.
ETA: Had you just backed down yourself instead of acting like a know it all, this would have been over. I couldn't give one shite, much less two if you can line posters up to say I'm an a-hole on here. It doesn't change the fact that you are the one that is being stubborn here.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:30 pm to Hopeful Doc
I really wish I would have just gone ahead and gotten my BSN from the get go. I too had the mindset of "oh if I really need it later on I'll just go back to school" and I really, really regret that. Even though I don't want my masters and don't want to be an NP or in management or a CRNA....I'm beginning to feel trapped without it. Hopefully I'll start the program soon...would just go ahead and start now but if work will pay 11k of the 15-20k it costs for the program...I'd be dumb to not let them.
Ex: With all the hospitals near me wanting BSNs only...currently I couldn't even apply for another job at one of them if I was miserable at my current job. With our hospital facing some serious financial issues...this terrifies me cause I'm fricked if I lose my job right now. I mean...I could always take an office RN job and do that until I finish my BSN program...but that would be a HUGE pay cut from working nights at a hospital(like 20K paycut).
Ex: With all the hospitals near me wanting BSNs only...currently I couldn't even apply for another job at one of them if I was miserable at my current job. With our hospital facing some serious financial issues...this terrifies me cause I'm fricked if I lose my job right now. I mean...I could always take an office RN job and do that until I finish my BSN program...but that would be a HUGE pay cut from working nights at a hospital(like 20K paycut).
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:36 pm to lsunurse
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lsunurse
My wife finished undergrad at a $$$ liberal arts college and realized and then went to USC for Nursing School (because she could get in based on merit, all the tech schools were purely a wait list).
She now works in a pediatric office but worked in the hospital and definitely was viewed favorably for having her BSN. She has more options moving forward, I think. Especially for a management perspective.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:37 pm to lsunurse
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I could always take an office RN job and do that until I finish my BSN program...but that would be a HUGE pay cut from working nights at a hospital(like 20K paycut).
20k? Dang, that's crazy. My wife makes almost what she did in the hospital in the dr office, slightly less per hour, but the pace is more her speed (and she now works part time so she can be home with our daughter).
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:39 pm to lsunurse
You've got a very interesting perspective, and I'm not trying to argue that the same doors are open from both routes or that both routes are equal. And I am sorry to hear about the mini-to-full dilemma you're facing- it's no fun at all, and no one ever really wants to go back to school after working and being happy with their current job.
But the point I'm trying to make is that if her goal isn't top dollar RN jobs (in-house night nurse in the ICU/ER, or even general floor), but more along the lines of working in healthcare for a decent salary as a second income (hell, even a primary income, though I'm not denying at all for a second that it's the most money you can make in the field) stream for the family and is open to working in a clinic, it's a pretty good option. It does close doors, and you've done a good job at pointing out what's closed/the "tunnel" of available nursing jobs at hospitals. I just thought that maybe you glossed over the other opportunities available and tried to add a little something.
You're definitely more knowledgeable in terms of what nursing jobs are out there and what their paying than me, though.
But the point I'm trying to make is that if her goal isn't top dollar RN jobs (in-house night nurse in the ICU/ER, or even general floor), but more along the lines of working in healthcare for a decent salary as a second income (hell, even a primary income, though I'm not denying at all for a second that it's the most money you can make in the field) stream for the family and is open to working in a clinic, it's a pretty good option. It does close doors, and you've done a good job at pointing out what's closed/the "tunnel" of available nursing jobs at hospitals. I just thought that maybe you glossed over the other opportunities available and tried to add a little something.
You're definitely more knowledgeable in terms of what nursing jobs are out there and what their paying than me, though.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:41 pm to CidCock
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was viewed favorably for having her BSN
Even in the hospital some nurses def have preconceived notions of ADN/diploma nurses. Being told "Oh I would have never guessed you were just a diploma nurse" is kind of a compliment and insult at the same time
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She has more options moving forward, I think.
More options as well. Many of my coworkers work second jobs at the various nursing schools being clinical instructors. They work that once a week and teach either skills to nursing students or lead them in clinicals in the hospitals. Easy extra money...but gotta have at least a BSN to do it.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:45 pm to lsunurse
Same thing is happening in my field (engineering), soon you will need to have a Masters to get your PE...but this is just a money grab by the colleges IMO.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:45 pm to CidCock
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20k? Dang, that's crazy. My wife makes almost what she did in the hospital in the dr office, slightly less per hour, but the pace is more her speed (and she now works part time so she can be home with our daughter).
Well I also work nights. So just going from nights to dayshift at my hospital would be a 10-15K paycut right there. So I would imagine going from dayshift hospital to a clinic(with no weekend diffs and lower hourly rate) would be at least a 5k paycut.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:50 pm to Hopeful Doc
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But the point I'm trying to make is that if her goal isn't top dollar RN jobs (in-house night nurse in the ICU/ER, or even general floor), but more along the lines of working in healthcare for a decent salary as a second income (hell, even a primary income, though I'm not denying at all for a second that it's the most money you can make in the field) stream for the family and is open to working in a clinic, it's a pretty good option. It does close doors, and you've done a good job at pointing out what's closed/the "tunnel" of available nursing jobs at hospitals. I just thought that maybe you glossed over the other opportunities available and tried to add a little something.
No worries. Because of my personal experience...I'm always gonna recommend someone just go for their BSN if they ask my opinion on it. But everyone's situation is different and for the OP's wife...maybe an ADN program might be a better fit for her. Just wanted to let him know there are some cons in her getting an ADN.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:52 pm to lsunurse
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But everyone's situation is different and for the OP's wife...maybe an ADN program might be a better fit for her. Just wanted to let him know there are some cons in her getting an ADN.
You could have just said this to me instead of being a twat about it.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:21 pm to GalvestonTiger12
RN/BSN. May '14 graduate here.
As far as my experience goes.. I started on an ortho/neuro/med surg overflow unit. I completed roughly 5 months on that particular unit, working days and nights to "get my feet wet".
Around 4 months ago I applied for a surgery position (OR, not clinic), and I actually got the job (skeptical b/c I had little exp). In the OR, my title is a circulator, a position which requires a BSN degree. Surgery is an entirely different environment in almost every way. My schedule is 6:30a-3p on weekdays, weekends off unless you're on call, with around 12-15 call days a month (I'm CVOR, we take more call days). If surgery becomes a possibility, I would recommend it highly.
In regards to salary, I would guesstimate 50-70k (surgical) depending upon amount of call days and actual instances where you're called in.
Definitely go for BSN, there are more opportunities available. I can't comment regarding going through the hospital, as I went strictly through the university. I did, however, work in ICU as a tech throughout nursing school, and it helped a lot when interviews came around.
As far as my experience goes.. I started on an ortho/neuro/med surg overflow unit. I completed roughly 5 months on that particular unit, working days and nights to "get my feet wet".
Around 4 months ago I applied for a surgery position (OR, not clinic), and I actually got the job (skeptical b/c I had little exp). In the OR, my title is a circulator, a position which requires a BSN degree. Surgery is an entirely different environment in almost every way. My schedule is 6:30a-3p on weekdays, weekends off unless you're on call, with around 12-15 call days a month (I'm CVOR, we take more call days). If surgery becomes a possibility, I would recommend it highly.
In regards to salary, I would guesstimate 50-70k (surgical) depending upon amount of call days and actual instances where you're called in.
Definitely go for BSN, there are more opportunities available. I can't comment regarding going through the hospital, as I went strictly through the university. I did, however, work in ICU as a tech throughout nursing school, and it helped a lot when interviews came around.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:25 pm to bshef
Congrats on the surgery job 
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:28 pm to lsunurse
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for some reason we notice they linger around the nurse's station much longer.
Prob just horny
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:31 pm to lsunurse
Thanks 
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:36 pm to lsunurse
Eighty-one. 
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 7:35 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:42 pm to Probably
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Have you thought about using your nursing degree as a stepping stone into something like clinical informatics, etc?
I actually enjoy bedside nursing. I like the hands on aspect of it. But...other areas like that would be something to look into when I start getting older and am having health issues with all the years of physical demands of bedside nursing. A couple of my coworkers that already worked days have moved to case management jobs in the hospital and they seem to love that role.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:45 pm to lsunurse
Eighty-two.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 7:35 am
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