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re: Bitcoin is Unsustainable

Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:03 pm to
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:03 pm to
No, it’s talking about mining. The article is poorly stated.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:17 pm to
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No, it’s talking about mining. The article is poorly stated.


I thought that might be the case as well but I found this: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-mine-a-single-bitcoin-in-your-country-2018-03-06



Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171036 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:21 pm to
That's likely wrong unless they include the cost of the mining rig.

The energy cost should be around $1500 here.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:30 pm to
It doesn't so basically their numbers are 3x your numbers and your numbers are 5 times what the author in the OP said if he was talking about mining which I still am not certain about. What a clusterfrick!
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:32 pm to
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Everyone has said crypto is, not necessarily Bitcoin.

So Bitcoin is the only crypto that will need increasing amounts of electricity?

I'm pretty certain as soon as Bitcoin fails, the next crypto in line will meet the exact same fate. And the domino effect will claim them all, eventually
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171036 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:37 pm to
I know, right?

I got it here though. It's broken down pretty well so I believed it.

quote:

An S9 uses 1375W, which means that in 1 hour it consumes 1.375 kW/h.
In USA, a kWh costs $0.12 on average. (It can be as low as 0.04, according to this EIA chart.)
At 12c per kWh a running S9 costs $0.165 per hour.
712,672 running S9’s would cost $117,591.02 per hour.
Bitcoin blocks are solved at 6 per hour on average. Thus, each block costs $19,598.50 to solve.
The current mining reward is 12.5 BTC, which gives us the answer:
At $0.12 kW/h a Bitcoin costs $1,567.88 to mine.
At $0.04 kW/h a Bitcoin costs $522.62 to mine

Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:39 pm to
Is this where I come to shill Chainlink and smartcontracts??
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171036 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:43 pm to
quote:

I'm pretty certain as soon as Bitcoin fails, the next crypto in line will meet the exact same fate


The fate isn't because of the electricity costs.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:45 pm to
Well then that makes a bit more sense. Look at the date of your source and the date of the link I posted. If energy costs are rising at the rate the OP stated then your source and mine actually match up but since mine is from this month it would reflect today's cost.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90454 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 7:24 pm to
Helps here in LA that we have the cheapest power in the country. Best place to mine

But yea big operations are going to deal with the problems in my post a few pages back
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 7:39 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80765 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 7:58 pm to
quote:

Is this where I come to shill Chainlink and smartcontracts??

Ethereum tGOAT
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51896 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 8:17 pm to
You do realize this was by design right?


That as time goes on it’s harder and harder to generate more currency?


Sure you did.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51896 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

What exactly are these math problems? Is it something that needs doing or is it just busy work for the computer?


The people who said it was just busy work knows nothing on the topic.


The calculations solves blocks and adds them to the chain (blockchain)

Basically part of the public ledger that records transactions in a way to prevent you from spending a bitcoin twice.

Upon completion of a block a decreasing number of bitcoins are provided as compensation.

These represent the only way bitcoins are generated and the limit of total coins were fixed at conception.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:07 pm to
quote:

These represent the only way bitcoins are generated and the limit of total coins were fixed at conception.


It is the same as having a currency based on a precious metal such as gold, the total units of currency are limited to the total value of the metal that can be obtained by mining.
Posted by Spasweezy
Unfortunately, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
6608 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:24 pm to
My man. What about all the other shitcoins! Ride for dime!!!
Posted by SuperM1ke
Member since Sep 2017
76 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:05 am to
BTC is not tied to a central bank, unlike the dollar or the pound, . In a fact, BTC mining guzzles huge amounts of energy. The process uses about 32 terawatts of energy every year. It was one of the reason why I decided to switch to litecoin. It's more energy-efficient. I also invest in GreenX eco ICO project, information I found on ICO Pulse source.
In general something has to be done otherwise BTC has no future.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 10:18 am
Posted by Bustedsack
Member since Dec 2017
4387 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:31 am to
quote:

Unlike the dollar or the pound, these virtual "coins" aren't tied to a central bank. Instead, bitcoins are "mined" by computers in vast data centers that guzzle huge amounts of energy. Bitcoin uses about 32 terawatts of energy every year. That's why I decided to switch to litecoin. It's more energy-efficient. I also invest in GreenX eco ICO project, information I found on ICO Pulse source.
In general something has to be done otherwise BTC has no future


Thanks for bumping this and clarifying this for everyone.
Posted by SuperM1ke
Member since Sep 2017
76 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:49 am to
i see sarcasm well u welcome
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
5499 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:04 am to
Quantum computing will eventually make current cryptography obsolete and destroy cryptocurrencies, it's inevitable. So might not be a good idea to count on bitcoin being around 5-10 years from now.
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