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re: As I get older, I wish I had spent some time in the military
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:47 am to NavyTiger77
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:47 am to NavyTiger77
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I love how people try to say they would have served in the military order to make themselves feel better.
This is pretty much what's going on.
Like I said, if somebody who has never been in the military really wants to serve, they can volunteer just a few hours a month to some veterans assistance organization or cause.
The fact that they aren't doing that indicates that their regrets are more self-centered than selfless-service centered.
Two key personal values that the outstanding military member must possess: Integrity (as previously mentioned by another poster) and absolute commitment to the ideal of Selfless Service.
Civilian life is not really about Selfless Service. The nature of that existence is that one must serve one's own and his or her family's own self-interests FIRST.
Military service is completely opposite. Your own needs and the needs of your family come second to the needs of the Service, which demands Selfless Service, if you want to have a chance to get promoted long enough to earn a 20 year retirement.
I certainly don't mean to step on anybody's toes or offend anybody in any way by expressing my honest opinion.
Besides donating a few hours a month of your time, Wounded Warrior and Disabled American Veterans can take monetary donations -- if anybody wants to show me how wrong I am.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:51 am
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:03 pm to WeeWee
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I plan on joining the Navy medical corp once I finish med school. Somebody has to care for our wounded heros, plus big signing bonus to pay off loans
I've known a number of Army Surgeons who went through med school at government expense in return for six years of active military service.
It seems like a fantastic deal.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:04 pm to Mulat
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You can be an Army Warrant Officer and fly helicopters and dont.
Yep, you are addressed as Mister. There are a few things I WOULD DO all over again, this is one of them for sure.
Me too.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:10 pm to USAF Hart
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In all actuality, every job in the military could be done by a civilian.
BUT they aren't.
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You have a regular job (electrician, computer geek, etc.) All of the jobs can be performed by a civilian with the proper clearance, paperwork, etc.
You forgot grunt. We trained to kill people and break shite. We killed people and broke shite. Are you and every "civilian" was/is prepared to get the proper paperwork and clearance to do this?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:11 pm to Champagne
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I've known a number of Army Surgeons who went through med school at government expense in return for six years of active military service.
It seems like a fantastic deal.
It really does. I was a civil engineer in the Army. I just didn't want to do that when I got out.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:12 pm to terd ferguson
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Then you should have taken the ASVAB a little more seriously.
Now who is the complete douche???
For the answer just look in the mirror!!
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:13 pm to Champagne
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and absolute commitment to the ideal of Selfless Service
I wish this was the reality of today's military and not just the ideal and it may be the ideal of some but not the majority. Most in the the military are in the 80th percentile of pay and benefits of other Americans with a similar education, take away the money and benefits or significantly reduce them and you would have a serious personnel problem. The military is just as mercantile as the rest of America.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:28 pm to terd ferguson
quote:stop.
Machinist Mate (submarines). I wasn't allowed to slack.
ERLL & AMR2LL watches were hardly asskickers. What's hard is bing on the boat, not what your job is.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:44 pm to Tigah in the ATL
I wouldnt' have a problem with a mandatory 1 year of service after high school.
Stay 4 years and they pay for college after the 4 years.
Problem is, kids these days are shitheads and you'd have a ton that just wouldn't do anything, so then you'd have to have some type of punishment and that would just lead to nothing but trouble adn aggravation, so scratch that.
I do think kids 16-20 that are convicted multiple times for stupid shite and are the typical punk that you know will be in and out of prison their whole life if not dead soon, should have to be sentenced to 4 years of military service. 25-50 years of prison if you object to the military service. Make them spend the first year in some type of camp that all of these criminals are in and then start separating the good from the bad from there. Don't want to mix the dipshit that refuse to change with the good guys.
Stay 4 years and they pay for college after the 4 years.
Problem is, kids these days are shitheads and you'd have a ton that just wouldn't do anything, so then you'd have to have some type of punishment and that would just lead to nothing but trouble adn aggravation, so scratch that.
I do think kids 16-20 that are convicted multiple times for stupid shite and are the typical punk that you know will be in and out of prison their whole life if not dead soon, should have to be sentenced to 4 years of military service. 25-50 years of prison if you object to the military service. Make them spend the first year in some type of camp that all of these criminals are in and then start separating the good from the bad from there. Don't want to mix the dipshit that refuse to change with the good guys.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:45 pm to Redbone
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Now who is the complete douche???
For the answer just look in the mirror!!
Oh you're one of those guys that can't take a joke huh
Posted on 9/9/14 at 3:47 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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ERLL & AMR2LL watches were hardly asskickers
Standing room watch was a break... it was all the bullshite that came after watch that sucked. Fix the EOG, fix the hydraulic plant, somethings broke in the galley, why is there 80 gallons of oil in the bilge?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:30 pm to OleWar
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I wish this was the reality of today's military and not just the ideal
It is the ideal, for sure.
But, a career military person must continue to attain promotion after promotion in a highly competitive environment, and one of the values/attributes he/she is rated on is this notion of selfless service.
If you are going to make it to 20 years and retirement eligibility, you probably have performed a lot of selfless service. Of course, many folks with far less than that have performed selfless service and more.
The young folks who enlist are not expected to have all of this great Character woven into the fabric of their being when they join up -- they have time to learn it and embrace it.
A new young soldier can become a Non Commissioned Officer in just a few years of first joining up. Much is expected of our NCOs, so, they either embrace Character or their Evaluation Reports will reflect this deficiency. Such Eval Repts won't be good enough to attain the many promotions necessary to make it a career.
Remember that the US military gives a pension of 50 percent of your pay after 20 years of active duty. Are there any civilian vocations that offer that kind of deal? I think maybe some police departments? I don't know.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:40 pm to terd ferguson
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why is there 80 gallons of oil in the bilge
Is it olive oil? If so, see if the Mess Sergeant can use it.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I wouldnt' have a problem with a mandatory 1 year of service after high school.
The USA is simply never going to implement some kind of mandatory military service for young folks unless we have World War 3.
Why? It's too expensive. The military basic training units don't want the headaches of trying to train unwilling inductees. The american people don't want it.
Besides, I think that many of our high schools and universities are requiring some community service from their students. This is a much better way to prompt young people to perform some helpful service than is some kind of "New Draft".
If we DO implement some kind of New Draft, I say send all of the uncooperative troublemaking kids into the Navy and put them in nuclear submarines. That way normal people living on the green land and beneath the blue sky don't have to stand the sight or smell of them.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:the military is not a place to send people to teach them to grow up. Certainly not the place to send felons. The earlier shitbird comment addressed this.
I wouldnt' have a problem with a mandatory 1 year of service after high school.
Mandatory service is just a way to subvert the demand curve for voluntary enlistment.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 5:06 pm to Austin Cajun
As one of the old flower children, looking back, if I had it to do over, I would have gone Air Force for 2 - 4 years, to do some traveling and growing up a bit. While I went through college, grad school, and doctoral training, I really had no business starting college right out of high school at age 17. Could have held out a few months, turned 18 and enlisted. That said, I am not so sure that it will count as a regret due to where I am in life at this stage. Maybe some things I would have done different (like marry a different woman), but no regrets.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 5:11 pm to Champagne
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Remember that the US military gives a pension of 50 percent of your pay after 20 years of active duty. Are there any civilian vocations that offer that kind of deal?
State government
Posted on 9/9/14 at 6:00 pm to damnedoldtigah
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State government
With the military you also get social security. You don't get that with state government.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 6:11 pm to Retrograde
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Got accepted in to West Pointe, should have went.
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 6:41 pm to Austin Cajun
I actually do. I came in at 28 now I officially get out of active duty next month. I'm now 32 going to go back to school to get in a physician assistant program. I may decide to go in reserves and earn my commission.
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