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As downstream parishes watch, Corps reanalyzes expected impact of EBR drainage plan

Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:09 am
Posted by member12
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:09 am
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As downstream parishes watch, Corps reanalyzes expected impact of Baton Rouge drainage plan

The Advocate

Neighboring parishes downstream from Baton Rouge have cast a wary eye on a $255 million Army Corps of Engineers project to clear out East Baton Rouge's waterways using federal dollars coming to the region after the August 2016 flood.

Birthed after the 1983 flood but stalled for decades, the clearing and dredging plan passed an important milestone when authorities with the city-parish, Central, state and federal government announced this month that they'd found a way to finance a critical $65.6 million match.


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The project calls for clearing, dredging and widening 66 miles of creeks and bayous in East Baton Rouge Parish. The Corps had recommended the project as feasible in July 1995 after more than a decade of study, but without money then to make it a reality.

The work on Beaver and Blackwater bayous in the Central area and on Bayou Fountain and Jones and Ward creeks and their tributaries in the southern part of the parish is aimed at allowing water to move more quickly downstream into the Amite River and Bayou Manchac.

About 17 miles of those waterways would also be lined with concrete, a measure aimed at controlling erosion and speeding the flow of water.


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City-parish officials say they should be able to take advantage of an opportunity to reduce flood risk in East Baton Rouge as other parishes have but have promised to mitigate any impact downstream, possibly with regional retention areas to hold back some runoff and release it slowly.


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Teri Casso, chairwoman of the Ascension Parish Council, said officials in her parish want to work with East Baton Rouge, too. But, she said, they have concerns about whether the low-lying Bluff Swamp and the Spanish Lake basin, potentially huge, natural flood storage areas, will be recommended as retention options.

If they are, Casso said, a lot of conversations will have to take place about how such a plan would affect her constituents who live in the swamp and possible compensation for their property.

"It would be complicated. My constituents love where they live," she said.


^^Some of them live in a swamp and need to be relocated.





Since the diversion canal will lower levels in the Comite basin, there is an opportunity to improve the drainage in Central and northern Baton Rouge along with downstream communities in EBR, Livingston, and Ascension.

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Last year, Livingston Parish sued Ascension Parish, the Pontchartrain Levee District and the state Department of Natural Resources over Ascension's long-standing plans to extend the Laurel Ridge Levee along the southeastern edge of Amite River Basin in the St. Amant and Lake areas.

The two parishes reached a truce earlier this year to allow engineering work to continue, but officials disagree whether a proposed mitigation project tied to the levee would do enough to protect lower Livingston from worsened flooding expected from the levee extension.

The Corps is also taking a second look at the Darlington Reservoir, a once-dead idea to build a large storage area along the Amite River in St. Helena and East Feliciana parishes to cut flooding in parishes on the lower river.


The Darlington Reservoir should be pushed very hard - and construction needs to be much faster than the diversion canal. That, in conjunction with the diversion canal that's finally under construction, should be a huge help in dealing with flood waters in the Amite River basin.

The Darlington Reservoir will help everyone breath a bit easier - especially in the circumstances that lead to the 2016 flood.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:15 am to



Y'all got anymore of them studies?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:18 am to
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Y'all got anymore of them studies?


I support studying the impacts that drainage projects have - but in this case we are "re-studying".

Build the damn reservoir and dredge the damn the canals.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:23 am to
Newsflash: Water will run downhill. Maybe don't live IN Spanish Lake.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30072 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:24 am to
I'm in 100% favor of a very large Darlington Reservoir as opposed to lining the channels up with 17 miles of Cement which will cut off the swamp overflow.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:25 am to
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as opposed to lining the channels up with 17 miles of Cement which will cut off the swamp overflow.




Looks like the cement lining is going to be in developed areas. Maybe I'm reading the map incorrectly.

Any idea why Darlington was snowballed back in the 1980s?
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30072 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:28 am to
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Looks like the cement lining is going to be in developed areas. Maybe I'm reading the map incorrectly.

Any idea why Darlington was snowballed back in the 1980s?


Toledo Bend and Ross Barnett didn't want the bass fishing competition!
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30198 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:29 am to
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aimed at allowing water to move more quickly downstream into the Amite River and Bayou Manchac


I see engineers haven't learned their lesson about this. It's a horribly outdated mindset. You're much better off capturing the water where it falls rather than making it runoff quicker.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:31 am to
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You're much better off capturing the water where it falls rather than making it runoff quicker.


That’s true, but they also have a responsibility to keep drainage bayous clear of debris.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:32 am to
Yep. Concrete has always been the answer but retention plays a large role.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71182 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:33 am to
Actually, it’s best to have the flexibility to do either/or depending on the situation. The Amite is heavily influenced by tides and storm surge and its tributaries are prone to backwater flooding as a result. The Mississippi River is prone to annual spring floods, and the same is true for its tributaries. Thus, you want a system that can send water different places depending on the circumstances. If the Mississippi is low, but the lower Amite is high and the upper Amite is high, you want to be able to send water to the Mississippi. If the lower Amite is low, but the upper Amite is high, you want to move runoff quickly down the Amite. If the lower Amite is high, but the upper Amite is low, you want to let the water collect where it falls and then drain it gradually. If the Mississippi is high and the lower Amite is high, and the upper Amite is high, then we’re all gonna die no matter what, but it helps to have some reservoirs to dump excess capacity in until conditions improve.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 11:34 am
Posted by Datfish
Member since Sep 2018
794 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:35 am to
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Birthed after the 1983 flood but stalled for decades


Sounds about right for Baton Rouge
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:35 am to
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Actually, it’s best to have the flexibility to do either/or depending on the situation. The Amite is heavily influenced by tides and storm surge and its tributaries are prone to backwater flooding as a result.


If they keep building levees around LaPlace and other areas, storm surge will eventually find its way into lower Livingston and Ascension.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71182 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:37 am to
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f they keep building levees around LaPlace and other areas, storm surge will eventually find its way into lower Livingston and Ascension.


It already does. Storm surge backs up into Lake Maurepas and backs up the Amite and Black Bayou since allways.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30072 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:38 am to
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aimed at allowing water to move more quickly downstream into the Amite River and Bayou Manchac


I see engineers haven't learned their lesson about this. It's a horribly outdated mindset. You're much better off capturing the water where it falls rather than making it runoff quicker.


You are 100% correct. The sediment will deposit further downstream which will cause a backwater effect in several years due to the mouths of these water ways being clogged up with sand/sediment thanks to the high speed waterways this project will create. You either build the reservoir or you are doomed to repeat the same foolishness only this time the backwater flooding will be 1000xs worse because the mouths of these waterways will full of new sediment deposits.
Posted by RonLaFlamme
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
1858 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:46 am to
I think the Darlington reservoir has enormous potential as a flood management approach and if done right, to become a top notch recreation area. Boating, fishing, lake cabins, etc
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:47 am to
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I think the Darlington reservoir has enormous potential as a flood management approach and if done right, to become a top notch recreation area. Boating, fishing, lake cabins, etc




The right people need to buy land in the area first.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58624 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:59 am to
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I think the Darlington reservoir has enormous potential as a flood management approach and if done right, to become a top notch recreation area. Boating, fishing, lake cabins, etc



The right people need to buy land in the area first.
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