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re: Arkansas anti-gay pastor arrested/indicted for 70 counts of child porn.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:53 am to ballscaster
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:53 am to ballscaster
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What in the world would lead you to ask such a stupid question?
quote:Its clear you are fine with "transgender children" having input on their gender choices and therefore by extension you would be fine with a child having sex should they consent.....since it would not be "rape" at that point.
BTW, did you ever answer my question from earlier regarding your opinion on a child's ability to consent to changing their gender? Do you think this is something a child can consent to?
Answered right after you asked.
Child rape homosexuality/transgenderism has nothing to do with each other. To accuse those who are fine with the latter of being fine with the former is a clear look into the mind of a pervert who is ignorant and confused. I wish you the best. In the meantime, stay away from children.
You were asked on numeous occasions to clarify that question and you deflected each time .......which is what lead me to ask that "stupid" question.
I will ask again....Can kids make these tough decision for themselves or not?
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:58 am to Crow Pie
quote:What would lead you to make such a stupid assumption? The only opinion I've ever given on this subject is that that seems creepy to me.
Its clear you are fine with "transgender children" having input on their gender choices
quote:Children can't consent. Consent is a legal term you should look up.
you would be fine with a child having sex should they consent.....since it would not be "rape" at that point.
quote:No need. At whatever you're trying, you're failing.
I will ask again
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:26 am to ballscaster
You're still missing the point. This whole thing about allowing children to make such a huge decisions as altering their gender can and does open the door to what all a child has the mental capacity to consent to. This is a VERY dangerous door to open. It places children in a position to give consent to something that is very adult and very permanent in nature. This will inevitably lead to challenging the current age of consent laws.
What you're failing to see is like all laws made by men, age of consent is something that is contrived by what is socially acceptable and thus subject to change over time. For example, just a few hundred years ago in many European countries the age of consent was as low as 12 and in at least one instance was as low as 10. At that time the notion of childhood was far different and there was no notion of the teen years being something between childhood and adulthood. In short, society looked at persons roughly around the age of 12 or so as being no longer really children. That's the danger here. If we as a society allow kids around this same age to make such grown-up lifer altering decisions, then little by little society's views on persons this age will start to change and no longer look at them as purely children, unable to make important decisions.
By bestowing on children the legal status of being able to decide to change their gender, this does open up the door to the whole question of what they have the mental capacity to consent to. Nobody in here is saying that transgenders or homosexuals want to have sex with kids. What we are pointing out is that their actions of supporting the notion that kids can make this decision for themselves, opens the door to others, namely sick pedos, who will use that to say that if kids can decide to change their gender, they can also decide to have sex with whomever they want, as in give consent. Already, there are a few wacko nutjobs out there arguing that the age of consent laws are too high. And allowing kids to decide to alter their gender only gives those nutjobs more ammo.
What you're failing to see is like all laws made by men, age of consent is something that is contrived by what is socially acceptable and thus subject to change over time. For example, just a few hundred years ago in many European countries the age of consent was as low as 12 and in at least one instance was as low as 10. At that time the notion of childhood was far different and there was no notion of the teen years being something between childhood and adulthood. In short, society looked at persons roughly around the age of 12 or so as being no longer really children. That's the danger here. If we as a society allow kids around this same age to make such grown-up lifer altering decisions, then little by little society's views on persons this age will start to change and no longer look at them as purely children, unable to make important decisions.
By bestowing on children the legal status of being able to decide to change their gender, this does open up the door to the whole question of what they have the mental capacity to consent to. Nobody in here is saying that transgenders or homosexuals want to have sex with kids. What we are pointing out is that their actions of supporting the notion that kids can make this decision for themselves, opens the door to others, namely sick pedos, who will use that to say that if kids can decide to change their gender, they can also decide to have sex with whomever they want, as in give consent. Already, there are a few wacko nutjobs out there arguing that the age of consent laws are too high. And allowing kids to decide to alter their gender only gives those nutjobs more ammo.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:29 am to Darth_Vader
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You're still missing the point. This whole thing about allowing children to make such a huge decisions as altering their gender can and does open the door to what all a child has the mental capacity to consent to. This is a VERY dangerous door to open. It places children in a position to give consent to something that is very adult and very permanent in nature. This will inevitably lead to challenging the current age of consent laws.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:30 am to Darth_Vader
I'm pretty liberal, don't see any problem with people changing their gender. But IMO you should have to be 18 to have the surgery.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:34 am to Darth_Vader
I ain't readin' all that shite.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:37 am to Crow Pie
quote:...is something I've never supported, so Darth is barking up the wrong tree.
This whole thing about allowing children to make such a huge decisions as altering their gender
(Thanks for the Cliff's notes, Pie.)
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:37 am to dbeck
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I'm pretty liberal, don't see any problem with people changing their gender. But IMO you should have to be 18 to have the surgery.
I agree 100%. But what is happening now is kids who are just hitting puberty, sometimes even before puberty, are being allowed to start hormone therapy to both suppress their own natural development as their biological gender and instead start exhibiting the traits of the gender they "identify" with.
As far as I know, there have been no cases of underage kids being given full on gender reassignment surgery. However, since the door is being opened to allow them to alter their gender via hormones, it is only a matter of time until they're being allowed to take the next step and have the surgery.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:47 am to ballscaster
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...is something I've never supported, so Darth is barking up the wrong tree.
I'm not accusing you of supporting it. You're whole argument this whole time is that I and others are trying to claim homosexuals and transgenders want to rape kids. Nobody is saying that. All we are saying is allowing kids to consent to changing their gender opens up the door to other matters of consent. And I for one think this is a door better left unopened.
All you are focused on is LGBTQ (and whatever other letters have been added since yesterday) "rights" and this has blinded you to the consequences that will follow.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:00 am to Darth_Vader
quote:bullshite, sorry. Tons of people around here are saying that. "Slippery slope."
You're whole argument this whole time is that I and others are trying to claim homosexuals and transgenders want to rape kids. Nobody is saying that.
If this had been your argument, you wouldn't have carried out an all-out assault on the dictionary yesterday.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:05 am to Darth_Vader
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You're still missing the point. This whole thing about allowing children to make such a huge decisions as altering their gender can and does open the door to what all a child has the mental capacity to consent to. This is a VERY dangerous door to open. It places children in a position to give consent to something that is very adult and very permanent in nature. This will inevitably lead to challenging the current age of consent laws.
What you're failing to see is like all laws made by men, age of consent is something that is contrived by what is socially acceptable and thus subject to change over time. For example, just a few hundred years ago in many European countries the age of consent was as low as 12 and in at least one instance was as low as 10. At that time the notion of childhood was far different and there was no notion of the teen years being something between childhood and adulthood. In short, society looked at persons roughly around the age of 12 or so as being no longer really children. That's the danger here. If we as a society allow kids around this same age to make such grown-up lifer altering decisions, then little by little society's views on persons this age will start to change and no longer look at them as purely children, unable to make important decisions.
By bestowing on children the legal status of being able to decide to change their gender, this does open up the door to the whole question of what they have the mental capacity to consent to. Nobody in here is saying that transgenders or homosexuals want to have sex with kids. What we are pointing out is that their actions of supporting the notion that kids can make this decision for themselves, opens the door to others, namely sick pedos, who will use that to say that if kids can decide to change their gender, they can also decide to have sex with whomever they want, as in give consent. Already, there are a few wacko nutjobs out there arguing that the age of consent laws are too high. And allowing kids to decide to alter their gender only gives those nutjobs more ammo.
Regardless of how many times you try this, literally all of this STILL has nothing to do with the topic at hand. None of it. It's a complete non sequitur and an attempt to misdirect from the actual topic...which was...an anti-gay pastor got caught being a pedophile.
And...let's not forget...the only reason any of this shite is currently going on in this thread was the sad attempt to defend the pastor's anti-gay rhetoric. People needed SO BADLY to defend the guy because at least in part they'd be happy to have a beer with him and discuss they mutual disgust of homosexuality. We're now this deep into this ridiculous discussion because it was impossible for some of you to allow the very obvious strange double standard pointed out by the original article that a guy that seemed so keen on pointing out what he considered to be the sexuality deviance of others would at the same time have what nearly everyone on the fricking planet would consider a FAR WORSE ONE. Instead...defend the pastor because he's right about them gays!!
Bringing up the comparison to transgender kids being able to decide about their sex reassignment or whatever the frick they want to call it IN AN ATTEMPT to suggest that the left will SOME DAY begin to side with pedophiles is fricking absurd. It's actually worse than that...it's using the rape of children for nothing more than a chance to take a swipe at your political opposition. There are actual people out there doing real harm to children...why not take THEM on rather than this strawman bullshite about how the left will one day defend them? Aside from being insufferable, this type of behavior is fricking repellent. It's fear mongering for solely political gain rather than having the balls to address the problem TODAY that you seem so worried about as a future issue.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
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And...let's not forget...the only reason any of this shite is currently going on in this thread was the sad attempt to defend the pastor's anti-gay rhetoric. People needed SO BADLY to defend the guy because at least in part they'd be happy to have a beer with him and discuss they mutual disgust of homosexuality. We're now this deep into this ridiculous discussion because it was impossible for some of you to allow the very obvious strange double standard pointed out by the original article that a guy that seemed so keen on pointing out what he considered to be the sexuality deviance of others would at the same time have what nearly everyone on the fricking planet would consider a FAR WORSE ONE. Instead...defend the pastor because he's right about them gays!!
I've never defended this pastor. I didn't get into this thread until it had already evolved into the discussion of trangenderism and kids.
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Bringing up the comparison to transgender kids being able to decide about their sex reassignment or whatever the frick they want to call it IN AN ATTEMPT to suggest that the left will SOME DAY begin to side with pedophiles is fricking absurd. It's actually worse than that...it's using the rape of children for nothing more than a chance to take a swipe at your political opposition. There are actual people out there doing real harm to children...why not take THEM on rather than this strawman bullshite about how the left will one day defend them? Aside from being insufferable, this type of behavior is fricking repellent. It's fear mongering for solely political gain rather than having the balls to address the problem TODAY that you seem so worried about as a future issue.
Guess you're unaware there are already those on the left trying to normalize it...
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:28 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:That's an elbow off the top rope.
.the only reason any of this shite is currently going on in this thread was the sad attempt to defend the pastor's anti-gay rhetoric.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:32 am to ballscaster
quote:
That's an elbow off the top rope.
Who has tried to defend this pastor ITT?
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:40 am to Darth_Vader
We went through this yesterday. I'm not going another lap around that track with you.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:43 am to Darth_Vader
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I didn't get into this thread until it had already evolved into the discussion of trangenderism and kids.
No...one asshat had said this:
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So he is a pedophile. He should gain liberal support now because he was born that way.
He was responded to, rightly, with this:
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Where are liberals supporting pedophiles? Link? Or are you just fabricating this stupid theory. There's a clear difference between consenting adults and predation.
At which point, you went full in running with this deflection ctiger69 had pulled out if his arse.
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We are already seeing liberal support for young children being allowed to decide their own gender. There is even support for kids just hitting puberty to be allowed to take hormone therapy to suppress their natural development in favor of their chosen gender. Logic dictates that if someone believes a child just hitting puberty can make such fundamental decisions about their body, decisions that will affect them the rest of their life, they by extension can make other decisions about their body up to and including whom they will engage in sexual activity with. In short, by the liberal logic being used to allow kids to be "transgender", that same logic can and will be used to say they can give consent to sex with whatever partner(s) they choose.
Everything you've typed on the subject since page 3 has been a waste of both your time and ours if we bothered to try and argue with you about it.
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Guess you're unaware there are already those on the left trying to normalize it...
Well, your first link isn't a defense at all. SFP pointed this out to you I believe, but as usual you just ignored anyone who disagrees with you.
Second link is from the same guy, so...
Third link isn't a defense either...did you even bother to read it? Placing pedophilia on the sexual spectrum is in no way remotely the same as defending it or actions derived from those attractions.
frick...neither is the fourth link! seriously...suck a bag of dicks for wasting my time and forcing me to scan through your shitty links like this. None of them...ever...defend anyone's actions...which ought to be the actual issue, right?
I don't even know WTF the fifth link is, but is sure as shite isn't "the left" defending anything.
Ok...I'm out. I've allowed you to waste enough of my time with this stupid crap...
Have fun, ballcaster...good luck.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:28 am to The First Cut
thefirstcut
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Sir, you have spoken a clear-eyed truth there. Glad to be on your side.
There is one absolute in these pages, degenerates gonna degenerate...look at the last 25 yrs (particularly last 8). Useful fools and all sorts of smart people now see the case for allowance. There will still be good people, just hoping there will be enough to stem the tide.
Naturally, my credibility is lacking due to belief in Jesus Christ, our savior.
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This. Every single bit of this. And this will be way sooner than one can expect.
Sir, you have spoken a clear-eyed truth there. Glad to be on your side.
There is one absolute in these pages, degenerates gonna degenerate...look at the last 25 yrs (particularly last 8). Useful fools and all sorts of smart people now see the case for allowance. There will still be good people, just hoping there will be enough to stem the tide.
Naturally, my credibility is lacking due to belief in Jesus Christ, our savior.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:39 am to larry289
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Naturally, my credibility is lacking due to belief in Jesus Christ, our savior.
How ironic that the OP is about a conservative religious right-wing man of God who was busted with child porn.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 1:45 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:Somehow this indicates that liberal people are on a mission to legitimize child rape. These people are all kinds of batshit.
How ironic that the OP is about a conservative religious right-wing man of God who was busted with child porn.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 2:18 pm to ballscaster
I'm a little confused. I read the affidavit/report and it says he possessed pictures of teenagers in bathing suits at a beach. Is that illegal now?
Maybe i missed something.
Maybe i missed something.
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