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re: Are we all Africans?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:13 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:13 pm to fr33manator
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I’m not discounting that an important ancestor came out of Africa.
Literally anatomically modern humans. And weren't you the one running with the Graceopithecus earlier? Seems like you were discounting it completely.
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Although I do take issue with some of the modern teaching methods that seem to be far more Afrocentric than is warranted.
What the living frick are you talking about?
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I’ve seen some teachers presenting it as Africans evolved fully and everyone else is some sort of mutant.
I'm supremely skeptical.
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Presented scientifically it has merit but that’s not the way it’s being taught always.
So what way is it taught?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:14 pm to tigerskin
I guess this is a thing. Yrs ago my brother ripped into my nieces (black) teacher for trying to push this bs.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:14 pm to tigerskin
What kind of 1960s shite they teaching in that school?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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What the living frick are you talking about?
I don’t think you understand the kind of unscientific garbage that is being peddled in the public school system. It’s atrocious.
You’ve presented a well reasoned and fact based analysis which I respect and acknowledge.
I’ve seen high school teachers in certain schools presenting the evidence more along the lines of “we wuz building pyramids while Whitey was living in caves.”
This kind of presentation of the evidence and fossil record I have issue with.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'm not sure either, or why people have run with Graecopithecus the way they have. It's supremely odd. The evidence for the out-of-Africa hypothesis is so overwhelming that I'm amazed this thread got this far with people spewing such ignorant ideas. I honestly don't understand it.
The ultimate authority on the origins of humanity is the Max Planck Institute in Berlin. Svante Pääbo is the lead paleogeneticist and his remarkable research firmly places humanity's origin in Africa.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:28 pm to fr33manator
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I’ve seen high school teachers in certain schools presenting the evidence more along the lines of “we wuz building pyramids while Whitey was living in caves.”
The sloppiness of others is no excuse to be sloppy yourself, in my view, or to peddle nonsense theories based off the press release of two papers from PLOS One.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:31 pm to Kentucker
Have you read Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes? I want to pick it up soon.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:32 pm to crazy4lsu
You don’t think that discovery had any merit? You obviously have a far deeper understanding of this topic than I do but it seemed to present some valid evidence that maybe all the questions haven’t been answered.
I’m not trying to be combative. Legitimately trying to learn here.
I’m not trying to be combative. Legitimately trying to learn here.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:36 pm to tigerskin
I'll stick with my Ashkenazi Jew
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:52 pm to fr33manator
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You don’t think that discovery had any merit?
Graecopithecus? It had a lot of merit, but the discovery consisted of two papers. The first was the paper that mentioned the discovery of Graecopithecus fossils in the Thracian basin in Greece and a tooth in Bulgaria, and contends that it is the earliest hominin (as in human and non-ape ancestors, distinct from hominid, which includes apes and humans). The fortune the researchers had is that the tooth from Bulgaria was the fourth premolar, which had been used to make distinctions between other hominin lineages, which the second group of researchers used. They used that tooth to show that Graecopithecus was distinct from hominids and proposed that it was a hominin, among the earliest found, and a fossil distinct from Ouranopithecus, which was found in Northern Greece, and for whom the fossil record is more robust. There is some debate about whether Ouranopithecus is a hominin too. But researchers are modest in their claims, suggesting because of the dental root structure reconstructed from the fourth premolar, that hominin status cannot be ruled out as of yet. This is because the reconstructed root is distinct from the Pan genus, but distinct enough from other nearby species, such as Ouranopithecus, that it be considered a distinct species within the hominin group of possible human ancestors. Or rather, the group of hominids that branched out to form hominins, a group which contains humans.
There is no direct relationship, though, between Graecopithecus and anatomically modern humans, and the geography of the Late Miocene means that Gracecopithecus could easily have been present in Africa as well. The second set of researchers did show that the radial enamel thickness of the fossil found was within the mean values of Homo sapiens, but the sample size is far too small to make a definitive link. Not only this we are fairly sure where the Homo genus originated, which is distinct from other hominin lines, from what we know so far, and the site of that origination remains Africa. And for the purposes of human evolution, Africa remains the most likely site of Homo sapien sapien development.
I didn't write that summary well. Sorry for the confusion.
TLDR: The first paper proposed a species distinct from hominids, the second paper used dental reconstruction to show the species was indeed distinct from Pan genus and from the fossil records of other species found in the region, suggesting that hominin status cannot be ruled out. That status will depend entirely on the fossil record.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:07 pm to fr33manator
Technically yes. Unless the ancient alien guys are correct. But still we were probably created in a lab on a spaceship in Africa.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:13 pm to FearTheFish
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thought it was this:
You missed the first 200,000 years of human evolution. Answer to OP's question, yes.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:38 pm to Bushmaster
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Do they teach this in special/handicapped school?
Please enlighten me.
Instead of being a being a bitch and go with the obvious insult, why not prove me wrong. Educate me. Or is it that reality conflicts with the bullshite you were fed growing up?
Here is some information, but be careful. It might take you some time to absorb the truth.
Smithsonian Natural Muesum Of Natural History
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Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa.
smithsonianmag.com
The above link has some information you should probably read, in order to better educate yourself.
Wikipedia Timeline Of Human Evolution
Neanderthals are believed to have originated in South Italy.
There are some who have theories that argue that the human race began in Europe, specifically Greece. And there is evidence in which an argument can be made that the origin of humans is somewhere in the middle east.
But this is all in the same region. Italy and Greece are just north of Africa and the Persian Gulf separates Egypt and Iran.
Where are the roots of Christianity, Judaism and Muslims? The bible says Jesus was born in Bethlehem right? You know where Bethlehem was located? It would be somewhere in Israel. Israel is not far from Egypt. I am not trying to use bible quotes or anything, I am simply saying the birth of the oldest religions come from these areas.
Here is something else that might be hard for you to swallow. If Jesus did exist, there is a good chance he looks nothing like the Jesus you see hanging on the cross in every church. He was likely dark skinned, like a middle easterner, with dark hair and dark eyes.
Yes, you think I have no idea what I am talking about.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:43 pm to OweO
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But this is all in the same region. Italy and Greece are just north of Africa and the Persian Gulf separates Egypt and Iran.
Are you really, really suggesting that sub-Saharan Africa and the Mediterranean are the same thing?
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Yes, you think I have no idea what I am talking about.
You make it painfully obvious with every post that you are indeed the dumbest poster, by far, on this site.
ETA: obviously you can read, but there is some misfire in your brain that prevents intelligent comprehension.
No one is arguing Jesus was some aryan. That’s cultural. But you make these idiotic leaps that have zero to do with the topic at hand. All the time.
You are a moron, in the very specific definition.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:08 am to fr33manator
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We already know the Neanderthals were in Europe.
Yes, around what is not Italy. Italy isn't that far from Africa. Where did you learn what you know, on this topic? Did you study it? Read books on it? Or are you repeating some bullshite you heard others say?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:28 am to fr33manator
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No one is arguing Jesus was some aryan. That’s cultural. But you make these idiotic leaps that have zero to do with the topic at hand. All the time.
You are a moron, in the very specific definition.
I am not a moron just because you can't understand my point.
It is pointless arguing with you. You are not able to look beyond your perception of the world. You think everyone has an agenda if they are teaching something you don't think is right.
By the way, where did you see that presented in which the teacher told her students blacks were building pyramids while whitey was living in caves? Exactly how did she present this?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:05 am to OweO
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. You think everyone has an agenda if they are teaching something you don't think is right.
When they are completely and factually incorrect?
Yeah, I’d say it’s cut and dry at that point.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:33 am to fr33manator
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The world was built on conquest and subjugation. We stand on the shoulders of rapers and reavers, killers and thieves.
You've got it backwards my friend.
The world worth living in was built on cooperation and liberty.
We stand on the shoulders of freedom fighters, innovators, and diplomats.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:41 am to tigerskin
I do love me some Popeye. Left the s off on purpose.
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