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re: Are higher than normal COVID antibodies good or bad?

Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:28 pm to
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Taking the shot was optional.



Yeah, and for a lot of people if they declined the shot it was a career ending choice. But you are right it was optional.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35846 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:28 pm to
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lsupride87


Just keep getting your boosters, you’re already a lunatic, they can’t hurt you any worse
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:30 pm to
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Didn't Sweden avoid COVID infections much better than the rest of civilized countries around the world?


Sweden took the approach that I wish we had. They sheltered their older adults and other immune deficient people but continued to operate normally otherwise. They didn’t shut down their economy.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:31 pm to
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I don’t know why you think that the covid vaccine doesn’t offer at least partial protection from the virus


Gee I wonder why I might think that. Surely has nothing to do with all the people that got it and then got covid anyway, yourself included
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107805 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:34 pm to
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Gee I wonder why I might think that
I wonder why you actually do think deaths and severe illness immediately dropped upon rollout of the vaccine
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107805 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:35 pm to
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Just keep getting your boosters, you’re already a lunatic, they can’t hurt you any worse
never got a single booster. You are no better than crazed PT payers who do this because yeh have zero to base any of your “opinions” on besides raw emotion
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:37 pm to
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Surely has nothing to do with all the people that got it and then got covid anyway, yourself included


Again, no vaccine can offer 100% protection. People’s immune systems are just too varied. However, getting a vaccine is better than not getting a vaccine because it will offer at least a modicum of protection and symptoms will be less severe.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
88544 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:38 pm to
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However, getting a vaccine is better than not getting a vaccine because it will offer at least a modicum of protection and symptoms will be less severe.
You do you.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35846 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:39 pm to
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You are no better than crazed PT payers who do this because yeh have zero to base any of your “opinions” on besides raw emotion


There’s no accurate data to base any opinion on with the vaccine or covid deaths, which is the entire point
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:40 pm to
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Sweden took the approach that I wish we had. They sheltered their older adults and other immune deficient people but continued to operate normally otherwise. They didn’t shut down their economy.


I agree. But we were afraid that the hospitals would get more overwhelmed than they did.

I remember before the release of the vaccine everyone was in agreement that the way out of the pandemic was to vaccinate.

But during that period most people caught COVID and based on pre-COVID virus orthodoxy the vaccine was not necessary due to natural immunity.

Then vaccine orthodoxy began to change.

The big change was the CDC definition of vaccine:

Pre-COVID: a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

COVID definition: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.

The COVID definition of vaccine removed "produce immunity".

There were several other changes in medical orthodoxy due to COVID and the COVID vaccine and the reason was to sell the vaccine, i.e., $$$$$$$$.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35846 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:40 pm to
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However, getting a vaccine is better than not getting a vaccine because it will offer at least a modicum of protection and symptoms will be less severe


HIGHLY debatable in the context of this vaccine
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:45 pm to
I agree that “big pharma” saw, and took, an opportunity to fleece the federal government as much as possible because of the pandemic. As I said earlier, the government opened the cash spigot and the biggest drinkers were the pharma companies.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:47 pm to
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HIGHLY debatable in the context of this vaccine


Please offer your knowledge about why this particular vaccine (there were several, by the way) had zero efficacy against the coronavirus.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35846 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:49 pm to
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Please offer your knowledge about why this particular vaccine (there were several, by the way) had zero efficacy against the coronavirus.


That’s not what you said
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107805 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:49 pm to
Sweden did a great job

They still experienced 18,500 excess deaths in 2020

That would be 620,000 excess deaths adjusted for US population. So in line with US excess deaths (Sweden actually had more…..). Hard to blame lockdowns for the excess deaths then right? Why not just accept the fact that yes the govt fricked up, but also yes Covid killed alot of people FROM COVID not just WITH
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35846 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:53 pm to
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Covid killed alot of people FROM COVID


No doubt, what percentage of those people where already knocking on deaths door is the remaining question
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107805 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:54 pm to
Do you understand how excess total mortality deaths work? If it only killed those people excess deaths would have remained the same….

Excess deaths mean it killed more people that were expected to die
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:57 pm to
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That’s not what you said


You’ve lost me. I said this:

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However, getting a vaccine is better than not getting a vaccine because it will offer at least a modicum of protection and symptoms will be less severe


Then you said this:

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HIGHLY debatable in the context of this vaccine


I suppose I should ask you what you mean by “in the context of this vaccine.”

Posted by tigerbait17
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
1370 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:00 pm to
We are still talking about COVID?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35846 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:01 pm to
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Do you understand how excess total mortality deaths work?


Yes, but you’re ignoring the context. These people were already compromised, but other treatments were prolonging their life. This novel virus came in and wiped those people out pretty quickly. Killed them, clearly. But that could be (and in my opinion is) why we saw only really one year of excess deaths. Because a small subset of the population was susceptible to the virus.

I think it had little to nothing to do with the introduction of the vaccine, especially factoring in the future years of data we now have. Could the vaccine possible saved some of the small subset? Certainly possible. But trying to mandate that vaccine for anyone, certainly anyone outside of that subset, was asinine then and criminal once we knew it wasn’t very effective, caused injuries, and wasn’t even dangerous.
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