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Anyone here interested in the English Civil Wars and Oliver Cromwell?

Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:34 am
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:34 am
I've been listening to Revolutions podcast about this and man, England had some horribly inept leaders and military commanders!

This was the mid 1600's, right around the height of British world power, yet these guys cannot agree on a single thing and fight battles like they've never heard the word strategy.

It seems like in every battle neither side has any idea where their enemy is or how large they are. King Charles TWICE accidentally ends up defending the path to a city he's trying to attack. Half the time armies just run into each other having no clue they were near each other.

Seriously I'm pretty sure Cromwell won and became the ruler only because he wasn't a complete military retard.

Hell King Charles gets captured several times because he just rides up to where his enemies are stationed, and then he flat refuses to make any secessions, assuming they will just give him whatever he wants.

Makes me question how England became so powerful in the first place
Posted by CHSvideoman
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:05 pm to
The Glorious Revolution was basically England's reset button.
Posted by fouldeliverer
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:09 pm to
That podcast was aggravating; I just kept sighing and saying dear god why are you so stupid.

I think he's gotten bogged down in the weeds too much with the French Revolution
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:09 pm to
I'm interested in it but I don't know much about it.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:18 pm to
It's been a long time. It seems I remember the entire century was a big fight between the Catholics, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and the Puritans. I do remember Cromwell butchered the hell out of some Irish Catholics. Seems like they dug his body up and 'executed' it years after he died. Sort of like what the retards want to do with dead confederates today.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:29 pm to
Didn't listen to the podcast but I assume it talks about how at that time, the armies were county based and rarely fought outside of their area. And the armies were led by aristocrats who were in Parliament and the officers were appointed rather than being professional soldiers. Cromwell managed to get a law passed that forced the aristocrats to choose between either their seat in Parliament or their military command.....all aristocrats except Cromwell....haha....he was able to keep both positions. Then Cromwell introduced the New Model Army which professionalized the military. Rather than it being a local army, it became an England wide fighting force that could be more easily managed and battle plans coordinated. New Model Army is also one of my favorite bands from the 80's.
Posted by TigerTreyjpg
Monroe, LA
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:45 pm to
Never heard it called that. Pretty good.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:50 pm to
Bc the Glorious Revolution is not the same as the English Civil War
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:51 pm to
Tenn Bhoy may have an opinion about this

ETA: Cromwell was basically Tony Perkins with an army.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 3:56 pm
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:53 pm to
It's called apathy, it's happening to us right now.
Posted by donut
Face, USA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:00 pm to
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This was the mid 1600's, right around the height of British world power
Not at their height quite yet at that point. After the glorious revolution and the set up of the Act of Settlement which allowed William and Mary and Queen Anne to eventually finish their rule before pegging the Hanovers as the heirs to the Eng. throne. The height of power really comes during the reign of the Hanovers in the 1700's and 1800's.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:03 pm to
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The height of power really comes during the reign of Victoria in the second half of the 19th Century


FIFY
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:08 pm to
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It's called apathy, it's happening to us right now.


It was rule by the wealthy elitists....which is happening to us now.
Posted by donut
Face, USA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:24 pm to
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The height of power really comes during the reign of Victoria in the second half of the 19th Century


I said the 1700 and 1800's. Queen Victoria's England is nothing without the set up from the 1700's. By the way the 19th century is the 1800's so I covered that.
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:25 pm to
Yes. Recently finished reading "The History of Scotland" by Magnus Magnusson.

My surname clan grandfather fought on the side of Charles II forces against Cromwell. He, along with several thousand others were taken prisioner at The a Battle of Dunbar in 1650 after General Leslie made an absurdly stupid tactical mistake. Cromwells beleaguered forces fell back on Dunbar about 50 miles East of Edinburgh. His army was sick with dysentery and other diseases and was reduced to 11,000 troops. General Leslie followed him an set up an impregnable position on Doon Hill. He had 18,000 troops. He had Cromwell trapped between his position and the North Sea. Cromwell admitted that only "a miracle" could save his army.

The miracle came. Leslie was content to let Cromwell evacuate and make a humiliating retreat but the religous commissars who were superintending operations pressured Leslie to forsake their high position on Doon Hill and descend to the plain for a biblical pitched battle. What they called "going down against the Phillistines at Gilgal."

Cromwell, in disbelief of what he was seeing, quickly organized a pre-emptive attack by moving his Calvary to low ground at Brock Burn while the artillery was put in position on the flank. At 4:30 AM, Cromwell sent his six Calvary regiments and three foot regiments across the Brock Burn. His artillery laid on the fire from the flank. Before the Scots could organize a counter attack, Cromwell through in all his reserves and broke the Scottish Army. By mid morning it was over. The Scots lost 4,000 dead or wounded. Around 4,000 escaped. But 10,000 were taken prisioner. All because a General with an impregnable position and time to force a humiliating retreat from Scottish soil was influenced by his religous council to make a catastrophic decision.

My GF was one who was taken prisioner, along with his two brothers. They were all shipped overseas to colonies as indentured servants. Many went to the West Indies but my GF and his brothers were put on a ship called "The Unity" and sent to Massachusetts.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:31 pm to
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Revolutions podcast


I am a few weeks behind on the French Revolution. It really gets bogged down trying to describe all the factions as the whole country goes to hell.

His History of Rome podcast was great. The Revolutions one isn't bad but I think you can tell he isn't as passionate about it as Rome.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:54 pm to
cornwallis learned from the best/worst
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31897 posts
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:56 am to
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I am a few weeks behind on the French Revolution. It really gets bogged down trying to describe all the factions as the whole country goes to hell.

His History of Rome podcast was great. The Revolutions one isn't bad but I think you can tell he isn't as passionate about it as Rome.

Yea, the History of Rome podcast was really awesome. It was definitely easier to follow though (maybe because I had better background knowledge).
This one does get filled with 100's of names and armies that it's hard to follow. I'm looking forward to the American Revolution though
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