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re: Another " Am I being detained " cop video but this time officer loses his cool
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:36 pm to ApexTiger
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:36 pm to ApexTiger
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It's the new American culture and attitude. It's now cool to be disrespectful of authority and make them look bad... it ain't pretty.
It's actually resistance to the militarization of law enforcement. I see it as a positive. The guy in the video was being a dick though.
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:36 pm to DanTiger
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I believe it does two things and one of them is to bring behavior like this to the publics attention.
You didn't say whether you think this is good or bad.
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The 2nd thing it does is to help fuel the propaganda war aganst police.
Uh-oh...
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I realize I will take flack for writing this but, as someone wrote earlier, you rarely see videos of police doing good things even though those happen thousands of times every day.
I addressed this earlier buy I'll do so again. As adults, we simply do not normally hand out gold stars to other adults for simply doing our jobs competently. We reserve that type of commendation for kids who need to constant positive affirmation to keep striving to do their best. But adults? Nah... part of being an adult is the expectation that you will do your job. If you go above and beyond...absolutely! But just not screwing up? Nope...that's for children, and even then it's handed out judicially or else you're labeled a kumbaya patchouli smelling hippie who wants to hand out participation trophies.
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I bet you don't have an operational record this clean at any of yor jobs.
Without even debating the statistic, I'd only say that those in my profession are in no position to detain an American citizen or certainly not in a position to take their life away by our actions. The VAST majority of all American jobs fall into that category, thankfully. It's precisely what makes your job far different than mine.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:37 pm to League Champs
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The original taping was between the cop and another citizen, in their car.
Which cannot be recorded without their consent
So I consent to intersection cameras and cops recording traffic stops?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:37 pm to ApexTiger
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ApexTiger
Why do you think the cops did not arrest him if he was breaking the law?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:38 pm to ApexTiger
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If it's legal, I shouldn't get no sh*& from cops"
Noooooo, cops should not concern themselves with what is legal or not, that is just a crazy notion.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:40 pm to ApexTiger
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It's unwise to provoke a policeman by being arrogant and disrespectful-he may do bodily harm to you, which is justified by Apex because he went to a cops funeral, while he is performing an investigation during a crime scene.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:41 pm to League Champs
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I still cant get over how ignorant you are
The citizen was in their car, an extension of their home. Therefore, they were not in a 'public space'.
The dipshit was circling the citizen and taping the conversation they were having from inside their car, without their consent. I dont know in what world you think a court is going to say that intrusion is legal?
Just because a cop was involved doesnt make the recording of a private conversation legal, in a persons 'home'
WOW
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:43 pm to TigerBait1127
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seems like Christians should be more concerned with the way he lived than the way he died
I think I understand what your point intended to imply and on that I agree, but without the cross and resurrection Jesus isn't who he claimed to be.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:46 pm to novabill
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Why do you think the cops did not arrest him if he was breaking the law?
Cooler heads prevailed I suppose.
I am not a lawyer
I just use common sense.. I know how to stay out of trouble and I understand how people get in it real quick.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:47 pm to ApexTiger
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You do realize this is Easter weekend?
Sure do! I've already bought my son's Easter candy and we will be buying eggs to boil and dye later in the week. You know...Easter.
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I think you need to ponder why Jesus annoys you
Jesus annoys me about as much as Thor does, which is to say, none. People who effect my life because of their affinity for him annoy me quite a fricking bit.
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I actually only heard the audio, could not view it for some reason.
HAHA...to be honest, I could neither hear nor see it. I've tried looking for it elsewhere though. I was simply arguing using the basic facts as they were seemingly agreed to here.
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ust let the police do their job and if they ask you a question, can you not just be honest and say "We're from watchdog.org and we're filming police in the line of duty"... Instead he arrogantly replied with questions of his own..
Kid seems to have been a dick. All the LEO needed to do was go, "OK...kid's a dick, but he's not a threat. He's just some asshat looking to see if I screw up. I won't give him that satisfaction."
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I don't like punkish attitude towards authority just to make a video on cop behavior/reaction... That's my issue with it
I don't like blind obedience TO authority. The LEO's job is not to assess the level of authority he has over each citizen or how respectful they may be to him. Doesn't that sound like a terrible precedent to set, or are you ok with that because you assume you could never be deemed outside the norm and subject to some form of harassment based on your perceived lack of acceptance to some authority? for me, it's mus more a principle thing than this particular incident.
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It's now cool to be disrespectful of authority and make them look bad... it ain't pretty.
I'd describe it as being able to openly stand up for oneself in situations where, at one time, you'd have been completely powerless.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:47 pm to League Champs
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The citizen was in their car, an extension of their home. Therefore, they were not in a 'public space'.
If my wife and I drive around town naked, are we in violation of any laws?
If we have sex in a parked car in view of others, are we in violation of any laws?
I can do those at home, should I expect the same privacy in my car?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:49 pm to TigerBait1127
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If my wife and I drive around town naked, are we in violation of any laws?
If we have sex in a parked car in view of others, are we in violation of any laws?
I can do those at home, should I expect the same privacy in my car?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:58 pm to novabill
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It's unwise to provoke a policeman by being arrogant and disrespectful-he may do bodily harm to you, which is justified by Apex because he went to a cops funeral, while he is performing an investigation during a crime scene.
LOL ah...took the words right out of my mouth
Seriously though, I knew a retired US Marshal "Mark Tucker" that returned to being a policemen in Wake County...google him. Was a good man, father, and husband.
He was shot by a young man who was afraid of being arrested (again) this time for shooting his rifle or shotgun in like an open field. I think they (he and friend) were just goofing off. Mark got out of the car and asked him what they were doing and boom, shot dead with his car door still half open--happened during his lunch break.
Kid was on probation. (said in court he was afraid because he was already on probation and just shot Mark as first reaction)
So, cops are dealing with an unpredictable public.. you just never know who or what you're dealing with..in many if not all situations it isn't wise for them to immediately trust a citizen that is up to suspicious behavior.
like someone said earlier, we only hear about bad cop behavior and we never see the good..
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:59 pm to DanTiger
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1.5 million LEO personnel in this country so even if one bad thing happened each day that is still a percentage of .02. I bet you don't have an operational record this clean at any of yor jobs.
In most other jobs that one bad thing doesn't involve killing someone. For other jobs where you are directly responsible for someone's life the required training and oversight is extensive compared to law enforcement.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:01 pm to ApexTiger
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Was a good man, father, and husband.
He was shot by a young man who was afraid of being arrested (again) this time for shooting his rifle or shotgun in like an open field.
Well then...no rights for anyone!
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:01 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I don't like blind obedience TO authority.
that's why you said
"Jesus annoys me about as much as Thor does, which is to say, none. People who effect my life because of their affinity for him annoy me quite a fricking bit."
amiright?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:02 pm to ApexTiger
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we only hear about bad cop behavior and we never see the good..
Bad behavior by an officer can have a profoundly negative affect on people, more than most other professions, and still given a pass.
There's nothing wrong with putting police under extreme scrutiny, because they have extreme power.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:06 pm to CptBengal
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Well then...no rights for anyone!
No need to be sarcastic bro.
Like I said, go to a funeral and get some perspective on our "public servants" who have died in the line of duty. Death is final.
"It's just a job" some say
If you knew someone it brings it home.
We're talking about punks and video cameras.. this is nothing
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:10 pm to ApexTiger
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If you knew someone it brings it home.
I have friends who are cops, some who share the same views as I regarding the direction of law enforcement.
The "war on drugs" created an adversarial relationship between law enforcement and the public.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:13 pm to ApexTiger
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So, cops are dealing with an unpredictable public.. you just never know who or what you're dealing with..in many if not all situations it isn't wise for them to immediately trust a citizen that is up to suspicious behavior.
no one is saying that they should just trust the public - but that they should stay within the bounds of their actual job and do it professionally. you can be both skeptical and guarded without being aggressive and confrontational.
most cops accomplish this on a regular basis, so why defend the ones that cant?
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