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re: Another " Am I being detained " cop video but this time officer loses his cool
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:01 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:01 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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To what end? These are apples and a-holes comparisons. Filing a store clerk that you've purposefully pissed off my make for compelling watching, but they are in no position to infringe on your rights as a citizen simply because you offended them. That's the difference. Being disrespectful, while certainly bad form, IS NOT ILLEGAL. It should be of no consequence when dealing with a person if you're entrusted with upholding the law.
Well, I kind of agree but then you're asking police to be on a level that of Jesus. (above temptation)
by asking a cop questions rather answering his/hers is not wise
so in conclusion!
1. It's lawful to be stupid
2. It's unwise to provoke a policeman by being arrogant and disrespectful while he is performing an investigation during a crime scene.
3. Freedom has good and bad but it's the only way to live!
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:04 pm to TigerBait1127
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the citizen does not have an expectation of privacy in a public space
I still cant get over how ignorant you are
The citizen was in their car, an extension of their home. Therefore, they were not in a 'public space'.
The dipshit was circling the citizen and taping the conversation they were having from inside their car, without their consent. I dont know in what world you think a court is going to say that intrusion is legal?
Just because a cop was involved doesnt make the recording of a private conversation legal, in a persons 'home'
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United States Code, Title 18, Section 2510 states: “…‘oral communication’ uttered by a person exhibiting an expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation.”
In plain terms, audio recording is illegal unless both parties are aware it is being done. So in order to record audio within a room, car, building, office, store, or anywhere else…you would have to literally tell both parties they are being recorded, or have a clear sign posted indicating audio recording is in progress.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:04 pm to ApexTiger
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but I rebuke the punk attitude and arrogance because it's a lack of appreciation.
appreciation for what? the cop that acted out deserves no appreciation. The other cop deserves some appreciation simply for knowing his job and doing it.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:05 pm to ApexTiger
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by asking a cop questions rather answering his/hers is not wise
lol wut?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:08 pm to League Champs
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The citizen was in their car, an extension of their home. Therefore, they were not in a 'public space'.
Was the guy recording from inside his car?
Why are cops not in violation when they record traffic stops from their car camera?
Why are governments not in violation for recording intersections?
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Just because a cop was involved doesnt make the recording of a private conversation legal, in a persons 'home'
Once again, was he recording from inside the car or in a public space?
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United States Code, Title 18, Section 2510 states: “…‘oral communication’ uttered by a person exhibiting an expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation.”
Yea, you didn't read the entire thing.
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uttered by a person exhibiting an expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation
it has been determined several times that this does not apply to public spaces. You have to be a troll, because no one can be so ignorant and short sighted on so many topics
The only state where the illegal expectation of privacy did not apply is Illinois, and that was overturned
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:08 pm to novabill
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So, why did the angry cop not arrest the punk for breaking the law?
Obviously, he wasnt thinking clearly
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:11 pm to ApexTiger
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Well, I kind of agree but then you're asking police to be on a level that of Jesus. (above temptation)
Ugh...always the Jesus with you.
I'd say that being respectful to those over whom you hold great power, and professional given your job description ought to be pretty high on the list of expectations. I don't think it's too much to ask that those with whom we've entrusted this great power also feel great responsibility to wield it justly. When you see videos like this, what you're seeing are folks who have no business wielding this power and it's why they feel so shocking.
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1. It's lawful to be stupid
Yep.
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2. It's unwise to provoke a policeman by being arrogant and disrespectful while he is performing an investigation during a crime scene.
True...but only because far too many can;t act professionally. That doesn't make it ok, just a reality.
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3. Freedom has good and bad but it's the only way to live!
I actually agree with that, though I wonder if you do.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:11 pm to League Champs
Obviously he had no justification and his buddy knew it.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:13 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:14 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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what you're seeing are folks who have no business wielding this power and it's why they feel so shocking.
I agree with this. Behavior like this is also an extraodinary rarity by officers.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:16 pm to im4LSU
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IMO, this video was a kid looking to rustle jimmies, and he accomplished that.
Yep, he was looking to start some shite, I don't think too highly of him for that.
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I have no proble with the cops "pulling him over"
I do. Why? What law was he breaking?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:17 pm to DanTiger
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Behavior like this is also an extraodinary rarity by officers.
So do you think bringing these to light helps keep LEO's in line, or makes it worse as Apex was claiming earlier in the thread?
I'd like to think that it would make behavior better, if for no other reason than purely the desire to not be caught. I'd hate to think, as Apex does, that this simply makes LEO's double down on being pricks.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:19 pm to League Champs
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Obviously, he wasnt thinking clearly
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:27 pm to TigerBait1127
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Why are cops not in violation when they record traffic stops from their car camera?
If its completely legal, then why are images blurred when those recordings shown in a public setting? Threat of a lawsuit perhaps?
One citizen cannot record someones conversation without their consent. Period. You also cannot record the cops conversation without his consent, btw
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Taking a photograph of someone, anyone, in a public place is a protected right. However, the same cannot be said of audio recording. This had led to legal trouble for some people who try to videotape their own traffic stop. In fact, it does indeed remain illegal in 12 states to record audio without the express permission of both parties. That means if the police officer doesn’t want you recording his audio, you simply cannot. In all these cases it has been incumbent upon the citizen to know the law before engaging in activity which may or may not be illegal. Ignorance is not excuse for breaking the law and police officers are not in business to let you walk away if you do it.
Recording the conversation between the cop and the ctizen is illegal unless BOTH gave consent. And since neither parties knew the dipshit was circling for the sole purpose of attempting to capture the conversation, it is very illegal
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:27 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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So do you think bringing these to light helps keep LEO's in line, or makes it worse as Apex was claiming earlier in the thread?
I believe it does two things and one of them is to bring behavior like this to the publics attention. The 2nd thing it does is to help fuel the propaganda war aganst police. I realize I will take flack for writing this but, as someone wrote earlier, you rarely see videos of police doing good things even though those happen thousands of times every day. I realize that is the job we are paid to do but most also go into this line of work to serve the public. We live in an enormous country with over 300 million people and nearly everyone has a recording device of some kind on them at all times now yet we see videos of police acting badly maybe twice a month and this is across the country. AThere are approximately 1.5 million LEO personnel in this country so even if one bad thing happened each day that is still a percentage of .02. I bet you don't have an operational record this clean at any of yor jobs.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:29 pm to League Champs
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One citizen cannot record someones conversation without their consent. Period. You also cannot record the cops conversation without his consent, btw
There have been several court rulings that say it's ok to film your interaction with the police.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:32 pm to League Champs
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If its completely legal, then why are images blurred when those recordings shown in a public setting? Threat of a lawsuit perhaps?
or courtesy. Or it used to be considered illegal and has been challenged.
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Recording the conversation between the cop and the ctizen is illegal unless BOTH gave consent. And since neither parties knew the dipshit was circling for the sole purpose of attempting to capture the conversation, it is very illegal
so you can record it as long as you blur them out later?
Can you link that, because that quote comes from a blog on a google search. LINK
I'm actually positive that is outdated. The supreme court upheld the Mass. court ruling. Every state that requires both parties mentions the EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY. The courts have ruled that you don't get that expectation in public space.
Once again, why would cops and the government be able to record if I didn't consent to it?
You wouldn't be able to record anything in a public setting by your rules
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Ugh...always the Jesus with you.
Jesus ruffled jimmies so much they hung him. You do realize this is Easter weekend? :)It's the very foundation of the christian faith, that Jesus overcame death.
I think you need to ponder why Jesus annoys you. (that's for another thread)
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When you see videos like this
I actually only heard the audio, could not view it for some reason.
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3. Freedom has good and bad but it's the only way to live!
I actually agree with that, though I wonder if you do.
Well I typed it didn't I? Yes I wholeheartedly believe it...I am simply giving my opinions.
just let the police do their job and if they ask you a question, can you not just be honest and say "We're from watchdog.org and we're filming police in the line of duty"... Instead he arrogantly replied with questions of his own..
I don't like punkish attitude towards authority just to make a video on cop behavior/reaction... That's my issue with it
It's the new American culture and attitude. It's now cool to be disrespectful of authority and make them look bad... it ain't pretty.
Ok, I've loved the discussion today (been a while) but I need to actually do some work...
Love and respect to all!
Sincerely
Apextiger
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There have been several court rulings that say it's ok to film your interaction with the police.
The original taping was between the cop and another citizen, in their car.
Which cannot be recorded without their consent
Posted on 4/15/14 at 1:36 pm to ApexTiger
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)It's the very foundation of the christian faith, that Jesus overcame death.
I think you need to ponder why Jesus annoys you. (that's for another thread)
seems like Christians should be more concerned with the way he lived than the way he died
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