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re: America's oil industry is 'dead in the water'

Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:34 pm to
Posted by mattz1122
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:34 pm to
Conversely, U.S. shale has much quicker decline rates than conventional fields, which have held up OPEC output during the downturn. Conventional fields still account for a vast majority of world oil production. Also, U.S. E&Ps lack the cash flow to sustain shale production rates, and it will take them a long time before they come anywhere near where they were earlier this decade.
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 8:34 pm
Posted by DaBike
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:38 pm to
No doubt the industry is really hurting with more uncertainty ahead but Pickens is not who to listen to on the oil industry. He's living off his success from a long time ago.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:39 pm to
That's why I disagree with the people who think the U.S. can drill its way to independence. Shale is a bit of a ponzi IMO that requires massive investment for shittier and shittier oil. This increase is great, but it's going to become a case of running faster and faster just to stay in place.

Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:41 pm to
Not exactly sure what the red curve is showing

Hmm, I'll take a guess and assume it's consumption of psychedelics, based on the defined peak in the '70s
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 9:53 pm
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:42 pm to
Yeah, the efficacy of the meeting is a whole other thing. Freeze output at levels that got us in this mess? Ha.

There's absolutely no reason for Iran to agree to a freeze. Pretty sure they didn't even send their oil minister to Doha.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:42 pm to
We've cut cost of unconventional wells in almost half since this shite storm. They have done more to drill it cheaper in the last year than the 60 years since fracking was introduced.

The oil market will be fine. The market always determines that.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
56705 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:44 pm to
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We've cut cost of unconventional wells in almost half since this shite storm. They have done more to drill it cheaper in the last year than the 60 years since fracking was introduced.



And yet it seems a shale producer per day is filing Chapter 11.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29643 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:46 pm to
Those steep declines help the case for them being a swing producer . DUC inventories are also very readily available to make a quick decision on production.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:49 pm to
Some are going to; and the banks will call in some notes; It's the nature of the beast. You'd think the bankers would bail them out since, well, you know, they were bailed out not too long ago?

Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:51 pm to
Not really. Shale production has been declining for a year and yet the price of oil is still much lower than it was a year ago.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:54 pm to
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Demand will catch up to supply and that supply will overwhelmingly be available from markets that are part of a cartel. Most of these states use the proceeds to fund terror efforts against us. So they stick it to us with inflated pricing propped up by collusion and then use the money to strike us. We started producing more and taking market share from the cartel, lessening its ability for nefarious works. Now Americans are celebrating the return to dependence on the Middle East. I don't get it, other than sheer ignorance.


At which point domestic oil will become viable again because of the raise in price, and we will return back towards using it again or at that point alternative energy sources will have become more viable, and they will take share of the market. The only difference being that we will have enjoyed a period of cheaper energy right now.

The only reason to take your position is if you currently in the domestic oil business, you are suffering right now, and you want economic protection. This sort of protection, from a theoretical economic position at least, has proven to be worse for everyone in the economy other than those being protected. Basically what you are saying is that you want entitlements. It's crony capitalism. Let me guess that you are a "small government conservative."

It is not a bad thing for the economy as a whole to pay less for energy. It is a bad thing for you individuals who are in the industry and the state of Louisiana which allowed itself to become too dependent on oil and gas proceeds.
Posted by UKWildcatsFAN
Bowling Green
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:54 pm to
I hope he's Pickens up the check
Posted by MadtownTiger
Texas
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:00 pm to
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And yet it seems a shale producer per day is filing Chapter 11.



Because of the amount of wells that were drilled, investments were made on $100/bbl, where it was just a gold rush to drill every sq.ft of available space. Once the price dropped, these companies do not have the cash flow to repay their debts.

Shale, geologically speaking, is a very easy rock to drill. Producing it is harder, but finding oil is easy. Shales are low-depositional typically deep water deposits. Eagle Ford was laid during the Cretaceous when the ocean stretched from the arctic across the US.

What this all means is that you don't necessarily have to perform a seismic survey to find the oil. So that cuts costs. Since well logs are readily available, you can literally create your own well plan with public data. Since shales do not have an extensive drainage area because of the rock, you can literally just steer your wells between previously/currently producing wells.

The past decade of shale drilling is similar to the gold rush. Everybody trying to make an easy dollar. The companies who drilled without doing the geology and the well planning and drilled low yield horizontal wells are going bankrupt. The ones that drilled the high yield wells and did everything right and played conservatively while the market was up are the ones still around and will probably weather the storm.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:01 pm to
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and we will return back towards using it again or at that point alternative energy sources will have become more viable,


Our kids will never see this happen.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29643 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:01 pm to
Looking at from just a pricing standpoint is a bit short sighted. From a supply perspective, the market is coming into balance with demand. LINK
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29643 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

Basically what you are saying is that you want entitlements. It's crony capitalism. Let me guess that you are a "small government conservative."


I don't see him doing that.

quote:

It is not a bad thing for the economy as a whole to pay less for energy.


VERY debatable this time around.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:12 pm to
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standpoint is a bit short sighted. From a supply perspective, the market is coming into balance with demand. LINK


This^^^

The big reason was for the last several months the reduced demand from India and China was concerning. That demand has steadily gone up as they transition into a more advanced nation.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:18 pm to
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VERY debatable this time around.


Only for those directly involved in the industry. Everyone else pays less for more. Sorry your profits have been cut big american oil.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29643 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:31 pm to
Well not really, since companies indirectly involved industrially are hurting as well. Consumer spending hasn't seen the pickup economists have been hoping for, probably because deflation across the board has been in place for other commodities for quite a while. But maybe you know something Yellen and the FOMC doesn't, genius.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:48 pm to
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Only for those directly involved in the industry. Everyone else pays less for more. Sorry your profits have been cut big american oil.


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