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re: American Civil War Animated Maps
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:17 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:17 pm to RollTide1987
Damn that's going to be a time killer.
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:18 pm to RollTide1987
this was really good. watched them all and wasted most of my day at work doing it.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:18 pm to Maverick01
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Most slave quarters were just wooden shacks with dirt floors. Many were malnourished, and they were usually fed scraps, sometimes only once a day. Not to mention the horrible conditions of enslavement they endured. Constant physical and psychological abuse. Oh, but thanks for the "lodging" and "food" bro.
Let's tap the brakes on this. "Most" may be accurate, but let's describe the whole range. "Many" slaves lived in similar conditions to the landless white dirt farmers I described above. Outside of Virginia, and in the cotton belt, particularly, slavery was worse than most of us are capable of imagining - particularly in a post-Age of Reason America - bordering on and probably equalling the worst of the Spanish abuses in Central/South America - everything you can imagine and more was imposed on the slave. In the more genteel areas of Virginia, slaves associated with more prosperous and enlightened families were only nominally slaves (although abuse was still relatively common - they were in some cases, better off than a lot of poor whites in the deep south, from a material and comfort standpoint).
Jefferson himself described it as a moral depravity. In many ways more harmful to the slaveowners than the slaves themselves, at least long-term. A corruption at the very heart of this country that purports to be a beacon and shining example of freedom - a classic case of the mirror casting a harsh dose of reality in its reflection.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:23 pm to NYCAuburn
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If you believe this, then what were the causes of succession?
States' right to self-determination/self-governance. Perhaps that was epitomized by the glaring example of slavery. It may be a subtle distinction, but an important one. But, there were other disputes. They were long-standing and, in the end, could only have been resolved by war. It was a fundamental disagreement between Republicanism and Democracy - we're still somewhere in the middle, but the conflict pushed us, hard, in the direction of Democracy, for better or worse.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:30 pm to RollTide1987
Thank you for completely derailing my afternoon. What I cant get through before I get off work will be watched tonight when I get home.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:43 pm to Ace Midnight
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States' right to self-determination/self-governance. Perhaps that was epitomized by the glaring example of slavery
Are you a lawyer? It's amusing how you talk in circles. You're basically admitting that slavery was a fundamental issue when you say it was "epitomized". Then you go on to say there were other disputes lol.
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Go ahead and read myth 1. There is a ton of source material out there proving you're wrong. I don't care that you're a historian. You just don't have the facts on your side in regards to this discussion.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:45 pm to Maverick01
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Maverick01
You're why we can't have nice threads.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:56 pm to Ace Midnight
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they were in some cases, better off than a lot of poor whites in the deep south, from a material and comfort standpoint).
I would rather be free and live in a shack than be enslaved and live in a mansion. I can't believe you're trying to make the case that because a small faction of slaves lived in relative comfort in comparison to poor white farmers, that must count for something. These people were uprooted from their native homes, many were separated from their families, they were beaten and killed into submission, they were hunted down like animals, they were robbed of any shred of dignity they had left, and they benefited from none of that. Even after they were freed they endured financial slavery through sharecropping. These people went through sheer and complete hell. Shame on my ancestors for contributing to these human rights atrocities. This is not a heritage I have any reason to be proud of.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:00 pm to Maverick01
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killed into submission
Damn...
That sucks.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:03 pm to AnonymousTiger
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Damn... That sucks.
The ones that refused to comply were killed. Yes, it does suck.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:07 pm to Maverick01
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Shame on my ancestors for contributing to these human rights atrocities. This is not a heritage I have any reason to be proud of.
Just curious, did your ancestors actually have anything to do with it or contribute at all? Cause if you're like 95% of white southerners then your ancestors were just poor white trash like mine who didn't have anything at all to do with those atrocities.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:17 pm to Maverick01
I'm perplexed by the downvotes (support) for men that try to rip apart a country and impede on our values.
They were not honorable men. If they we're, I'll be waiting for some of you to chalk up some support for all the other defeated enemies we've beaten in war. You know, enemies that did the same thing as those confederate soldiers did --- threatened the stability of our nation
----- for the person that gave this a downvote. Give me a couple arguments why I shouldn't consider those cowardly bastards any different than those cowardly Japanese WWII Soliders or Nazi Germany frauds.
They were not honorable men. If they we're, I'll be waiting for some of you to chalk up some support for all the other defeated enemies we've beaten in war. You know, enemies that did the same thing as those confederate soldiers did --- threatened the stability of our nation
----- for the person that gave this a downvote. Give me a couple arguments why I shouldn't consider those cowardly bastards any different than those cowardly Japanese WWII Soliders or Nazi Germany frauds.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:21 pm to Maverick01
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I would rather be free and live in a shack than be enslaved and live in a mansion. I can't believe you're trying to make the case that because a small faction of slaves lived in relative comfort in comparison to poor white farmers, that must count for something. These people were uprooted from their native homes, many were separated from their families, they were beaten and killed into submission, they were hunted down like animals, they were robbed of any shred of dignity they had left, and they benefited from none of that. Even after they were freed they endured financial slavery through sharecropping. These people went through sheer and complete hell. Shame on my ancestors for contributing to these human rights atrocities. This is not a heritage I have any reason to be proud of.
They've been trying to hold on the to relics, rhetorics and sentiments of that time, and the further we get away from it the more and more it crumbles. it will be of no more soon enough. States are taking down the CSU flag, people are getting fired for it, etc.
They're like 30 year high school football Star-- still stuck in high school, still living off the "glory" that once was
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:23 pm to Topwater Trout
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food and housing are free?
That's a weak argument. The only reason they got any of that was because they didn't do any good to the planter if they starved to death.
Slaves were forced at gunpoint by the government to accept a particular "employer" and particular working conditions. They didn't have the option of going to a different plantation that offered a certain amount of money per pound of cotton, or a better house, or better food.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:25 pm to AnonymousTiger
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Just curious, did your ancestors actually have anything to do with it or contribute at all? Cause if you're like 95% of white southerners then your ancestors were just poor white trash like mine who didn't have anything at all to do with those atrocities.
I know my ancestors weren't even in America yet...still hadn't got on the boat from France at that time
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:25 pm to AnonymousTiger
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Just curious, did your ancestors actually have anything to do with it or contribute at all? Cause if you're like 95% of white southerners then your ancestors were just poor white trash like mine who didn't have anything at all to do with those atrocities.
Then who are the descendants of these 5%? Always found it comical and assuming how in a country built off old wealth and money, that no one left alive is a living descendant of those slave owners. The only people we see are those old farts in the sons and daughters of the confederacy that have not much better going on in their lives but to commemorate the souls of treasonist and law breakers
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:25 pm to CoopsjwReed
It was the southerner's nation too. And they decided to fight to perserve it from northerner's hell bent on dictating to them what was just/injust.
So, yes, slavery was the passionite issue, but underneath it all was the rights to determine a state's own laws and goverment.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:29 pm to ScottFowler
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It was the southerner's nation too. And they decided to fight to perserve it from northerner's hell bent on dictating to them what was just/injust.
So, yes, slavery was the passionite issue, but underneath it all was the rights to determine a state's own laws and goverment.
If we're going to be the moral compass for the world, I do think something's trump "states rights" such as universal freedom for all people regardless of the states.
Obviously the south didn't agree and that's cause worth honoring and being reverence towards.
There valiant fight to country the persecution and terrorism of a group of human beings.
Can't detach 2 from too. The confederacy made it well known in their constitution their thoughts about the black man and his place in their society.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:44 pm to CoopsjwReed
I'm still pissed at those Gawd Damn Visgoths! frick those murderous cowardly Huns who accepted Roman citizenship and then turned around like traitors and burned the city to the ground, ending the Glory that was the Roman Empire!
And screw those blood thirsty Aztecs who conquered every peace loving civilization they could get their murderous hands on, all for human sacrifice and violent debauchery!
You know who grinds my gears are those MF'ing imperial Bonapartists! How dare they invade and conquer all of Europe, spreading chaos, death and destruction until finally being beaten back by the Russian winter!
And screw those blood thirsty Aztecs who conquered every peace loving civilization they could get their murderous hands on, all for human sacrifice and violent debauchery!
You know who grinds my gears are those MF'ing imperial Bonapartists! How dare they invade and conquer all of Europe, spreading chaos, death and destruction until finally being beaten back by the Russian winter!
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:47 pm to CoopsjwReed
You need to actually read and learn history, and not accept snippets of factoids that warp your naïveté into a frothy vehemence of ignorance.
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