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re: About to put my son in drug rehab. update page 20
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:20 am to Artie Rome
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:20 am to Artie Rome
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It's the only viable and readily accessible option
again, that's restating my problem. that's a problem. having one philosophy dominate so much, especially via government, is a problem
i mean other options may be things like having people go to church. i've seen this simple behavior work a bunch of times. simply going to church, by itself, can work. it leads you to be around social groups who are much less likely to use. you get reinforcement regarding not abusing drugs, etc etc.
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How is it irrational to do what works for me?
if we're talking about how to treat problems, saying "this worked for me, so everything else is inferior" is not
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What do you think my goal in recovery should be? To seek out something that works better...when what I have is working?
think about the second statement
doesn't that sound just like the statement of an addict?
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I am not trying to create some plan for the most effective treatment of addiction that can be implemented on a macro level.
well that's what i am discussing
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:22 am to Artie Rome
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Congrats to all of you fellows doing the right thing. I hope none of you go out and get loaded after learning from SFP that your program does not work
Lol
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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i have what would be described as an addictive personality. this does involve things like alcohol. but when i have issues with that, i acknowledge them and scale back.
It really is easy.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:24 am to pwejr88
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AA states it does not have a monopoly on recovery and that the point is to help people stay sober and that person should use whatever option is best suited for them. Doesn't really sound like a dictator wrote that book.
there are constants. for example, regardless of other options, does the big book require absolute abstinence?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:24 am to vanburenboy
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It really is easy.
For someone who isn't an addict. Yes.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:25 am to vanburenboy
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It really is easy.
well not all people are as capable for using rational thought processes and most people don't devote much time to self analysis
i'm not an example for all people to follow. i was asked a question about me, individually, and i responded
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:26 am to Artie Rome
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For someone who isn't an addict. Yes.
what is an "addict" or "alcoholic" ?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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if we're talking about how to treat problems, saying "this worked for me, so everything else is inferior" is not
I did not say everything or anything else is inferior. Neither did anyone else so far as I remember.
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think about the second statement
doesn't that sound just like the statement of an addict?
Well I am an addict. But please explain how doing what works for me 100% is the statement of an addict.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:29 am to Artie Rome
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But please explain how doing what works for me 100% is the statement of an addict.
To seek out something that works better...when what I have is working?
you know what works because you've tried that method, and have excluded all others. what if there was another solution that solved your abuse issues while still allowing you to engage in the behavior? or pick out any other requirement of the 12-steps that people have issues with
that sounds like a person using who refuses to stop because he believes what he's doing is working, ignorant to other ways of living
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:30 am to Artie Rome
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For someone who isn't an addict. Yes.
I was gambling to much on sports. One day realized I couldn't keep doing this or I would be broke or end up dead by Big Vito.
So I just stopped.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:32 am to vanburenboy
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I was gambling to much on sports. One day realized I couldn't keep doing this or I would be broke or end up dead by Big Vito.
So I just stopped.
you're going to get the tautology response
them: you're not an [insert term for problem behavior patterns] because you didn't need [12-step based program]
you: well what is a [insert term for problem behavior patterns]?
them: a person who finds/needs help in [12-step based program]
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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does the big book require absolute abstinence?
You have supposedly been going to meetings for 20 years, you tell me.
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What is an alcoholic, addict
You want a definition of those or a person defined as a person chemically dependent and meeting the qualifications for treatment?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:34 am to MBclass83
What drug? Please tell me you didn't catch the little shite smoking that reefer dope?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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you're going to get the tautology response
them: you're not an [insert term for problem behavior patterns] because you didn't need [12-step based program]
you: well what is a [insert term for problem behavior patterns]?
them: a person who finds/needs help in [12-step based program]
noPosted on 9/26/14 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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you know what works because you've tried that method
It is working currently.
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and have excluded all others.
I have tried countless methods.
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what if there was another solution that solved your abuse issues while still allowing you to engage in the behavior?
I know with 100% certainty that I am incapable of moderate drinking. And I am not interested in trying it for the 1000th time.
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or pick out any other requirement of the 12-steps that people have issues with
But if I don't have an issue with them, why would I look for another solution?
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that sounds like a person using who refuses to stop because he believes what he's doing is working, ignorant to other ways of living
So let me get this straight...me staying sober with the help of a 12 step program is the same as me staying drunk? I am not ignorant to other ways of life. I have tried many. This is the best fit for me for today. I have no idea why you take issue with that.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:35 am to pwejr88
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You want a definition of those
pursuant to recovery/AA/12-steps, yes
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You have supposedly been going to meetings for 20 years, you tell me.
obviously it's yes. i'm trying to engage in discussion
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:36 am to redfieldk717
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no
that very cycle has occurred in this very thread
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
No it hasn't....nobody has given you a definition like that. You have twisted the conversation to see it that way
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:38 am to Artie Rome
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I know with 100% certainty that I am incapable of moderate drinking.
let me emphasize something. i don't disagree that this is true for some people (and possibly you. i don't know you)
this is true for a very small % of the population. if you fall into this %, then i agree abstinence is probably correct
however, this should be a last line of resort, and not the first. the programs i'm discussing are the first response to people who seek treatment, but they are extreme and should only be the last line of resort for only the minute portion of people with extreme pathologies
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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them: you're not an [insert term for problem behavior patterns] because you didn't need [12-step based program]
I would of classified myself as an addict. I was chasing losses on freaking high school and WNBA games.
Once again I realized I was going down a dark path and couldn't continue. I just stopped. People need to give themselves a little more credit in what they can accomplish by themselves.
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