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re: A Dallas hospital worker now has Ebola

Posted on 10/12/14 at 7:54 pm to
Posted by Boats n Hose
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 7:54 pm to
You won't ever take the human error factor out of the equation. Government or no government.
Posted by tonyperkis
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

Ebola primed to go airborne-Purdue professor

At Purdue University, Dr. David Sanders has been studying the virus since 2003 – specifically how this particular Zaire strain of Ebola enters human cells.


"It can enter the lung from the airway side," Sanders said. "So this argues that Ebola is primed to have respiratory transmission.



Purdue researcher: Ebola virus could spread by air

I like this article as well with the same guys research and agree with his sentiment that the CDC should make the public aware to take into account all possibilities of the virus. However based on his quotes it seems like he still doesn't believe that it will go airborne....just that there is a possibility which I think most people agree on.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:00 pm to
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You won't ever take the human error factor out of the equation. Government or no government.


I'm not talking about the govt. at all man. I'm just saying that I've read enough Micheal Chricton novels to know how this shite starts.

Guy comes from Africa and gets infected.
Lazy Nurse doesn't follow protocol.
Nurse fricks airline pilot.
Airline pilot fricks flight attendant.
Flight attendant fricks every thing with a pulse in 3 different cities in 4 days.

World ends.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:06 pm to
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I have no idea, but if you think it is relevant, please tell us more.


I have mentioned it a couple times. There is standard hopital PPE and CDC hot zone looking PPE.

The standard hospital PPE I have ever used since 1998 never covered my legs. The scrubs usually worn are your own which you take home and wash at end of day like anyone else. Only OR people leave their scrubs at the door and change into street clothes. But this PPE is essentially a surgical mask and a plastic gown with gloves over sleeves. No real head cover. Even a surgical cap is not going to prevent fluid transmission. Soiled hands would soak through to hair.

CDC PPE is a hazmat suit essentially. And I assume the decontamination process is much more regimented.
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:10 pm to
You can see what the specialized biocontainment units use LINK
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27592 posts
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:16 pm to
I know what they use.

I bet that is not what Dallas nurse had on.
Posted by Winkface
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:17 pm to
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I know what they use.
oh excuse me. So sorry.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:18 pm to
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oh excuse me. So sorry.


Sorry setting up pic of what my knowledge of PPE is.

I did sound like a total dick.

Give me a second.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:20 pm to
The usual.

Here you go.
Posted by Nynna11
Member since Jul 2012
574 posts
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:22 pm to
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Did nobody read the article? The infected employee breached protocol. Not sure of the details of what exactly that means, but it would seem the fault is on the person, not the precautions established.


It has not been established that the nurse breached protocol, only assumed. Someone else could have breached protocol and the nurse then may have handled the contaminated object...there could have been a porous area on the suit or a pinhole in a glove. I have spent years as an ER nurse - this is not the typical PPE or situation. Special centers need to be set up to deal with these patients - not the local hospital.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27592 posts
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:27 pm to
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have spent years as an ER nurse - this is not the typical PPE or situation. Special centers need to be set up to deal with these patients - not the local hospital.


See my above link. Is that not what you have always worn?

ER since 2000 here. That is all I have worn.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:38 pm to
Do we not know what the "breach of protocol" was?
Posted by Winkface
Member since Jul 2010
34377 posts
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:40 pm to
We do not.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:43 pm to
See my post above. Or just bump my thread from earlier explaining how the world will end.
Posted by RunningBlake
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:44 pm to
The nurse infected doesn't know either.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:44 pm to
I just think it's weird that's it's supposedly not very contagious and then someone who is in full protective gear contracts it.

I just don't get it, but whatevs.
Posted by Nynna11
Member since Jul 2012
574 posts
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:48 pm to
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quote: have spent years as an ER nurse - this is not the typical PPE or situation. Special centers need to be set up to deal with these patients - not the local hospital. See my above link. Is that not what you have always worn? ER since 2000 here. That is all I have worn.


Yes, exactly. The type of gear that's needed is not just readily available to healthcare workers.
Posted by Sl4m
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 9:02 pm to
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I just think it's weird that's it's supposedly not very contagious and then someone who is in full protective gear contracts it.

I just don't get it, but whatevs.


It could really be as easy as a nurse taking a glove off incorrectly.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 9:05 pm to
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It could really be as easy as a nurse taking a glove off incorrectly.



Like putting one glove in your mouth while taking the other glove off? Are they really that stupid? Otherwise, I thought an entry point would be necessary for transmission, like a cut on the hand?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87212 posts
Posted on 10/12/14 at 9:07 pm to
If it's on her hand and he goes to her mouth at some point, then she's got it. It's that simple. Just because it isn't airborne doesn't mean it isn't easily transferrable. "Easy" being a relative term, obviously.
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