re: A battle raged above the clouds in Chattanooga 158 years ago today...

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If you consider yourself an American then they did.

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Southern American

Cult of Personality and liar "Honest" Abe conned every Northern buffoon just about into believing them evil southers were making all dey monies off the backs of da blacks man. And albeit there were some evil white slave owners, as in every fine detail most were not evil. In fact blacks owned blacks. Yea, betcha most northerns still dont know that. My own great great grandmother owned slaves.

She was black. Married the damn plantation owner. Fancy that.

Honest forked tongue Abe.

I appreciate your post. I took Civil War history at LSU. Professor Royster was my teacher, and did an incredible job. I doubt they teach true Civil War History anymore.

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And albeit there were some evil white slave owners, as in every fine detail most were not evil. In fact blacks owned blacks. Yea, betcha most northerns still dont know that.

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Every thinking person knows that. Abe Lincoln was a great man, and he was right to bring this country to war .

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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Abraham Lincoln November 19, 1863

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I took Civil War history at LSU. Professor Royster was my teacher, and did an incredible job.

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I was a history major and took 3 classes with him. He was awesome, but if you were ever late for a class, he’d stare your arse down til you found your seat.

That being said, I’ve been to Lookout Mountain many times. The terrain there is rough. Surprised the Union didn’t have more losses.

Not close.

Dude instigated the war in South Carolina like a bitch. The south was never gonna provoke a fight as they were independent and didnt need the federal frickstick elites of Washington, New York, and money hands to fund their growth. They were doing fine.

The north saw a shift in power and they weren't having it. So they created the boogeyman and went to war against their own countrymen. Burned down cities and destroyed families making a sure their arse would never be a financial threat, thus powerful threat, to the elite functioning at the time.

Always follow the money. There was nothing good about this murderous count.