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re: 45% of new grads who actually find jobs, are taking "no degree needed" jobs
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:18 pm to Stud Bud
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:18 pm to Stud Bud
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BUT TO SHORTYROB'S POINT:
I was doing a ride-along with this other manager (not mine) and he asked me "so who did you know to get this job?" I told him no one and he told me I was only one of 5 people he has ever talked to that didn't know anyone. This particular manager told me he even knew someone to get hired.And I truly believe I wouldn't have ever got a call back if I wasn't messaging those power players on LinkedIn.
NETWORKING IS KEY.
In a way, you did "know" someone. Many out there thinking the "know" part is, "oh, you got hooked up by some buddy".
Sure. That happens. But, "know" is often a function of simply having built a bit of reputation.
While talking on LinkedIn, you probably ended up learning how to "talk" the company's talk. You never know. Maybe someone you talked to online decided they thought HR should pull your resume.
Regardless, job searching is a lot like sales. It's all about hit rate. Car salesmen who average selling to 1 out of 10 customers don't try to "sell better" when they need to sell cars, they try to double their customer count!
You never know what connection will provide you the in, or supply you with information you end up using, or some other key element to the job search.
I'll finish by pointing out one other thing. People need to stop thinking of the "network" as some sort of unfair advantage that others have.
Put yourself in the hiring manager's shoes. No matter how hard you try, you're ALWAYS going to miss on some hires. Any added info to reduce that is welcome. If someone I trust says to me, "you really need to talk to this person", that's gonna carry more weight than whatever awesome crap you put in your cover letter.
That's just reality. Don't get mad about it. USE IT!
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:20 pm to ShortyRob
Oh. And great personal story StudBud.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:42 pm to Kujo
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45% of new grads who actually find jobs, are taking "no degree needed" jobs
When I was still working a few years ago, newbie attorneys were applying for paralegal and legal assistant positions which are well below their skill level.
I was on UI for a while and you have to apply for jobs every week. When there were no legal jobs in the classifieds, craigslist, etc., I applied to places like WalMart (who won't hire over-qualified people because they are, or were, afraid that after training, people would quit.
Those people I guess could be considered lucky someone was willing to take a chance on them. It's kinda hard to eat when the paychecks aren't coming in on a regular basis.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:46 pm to Red Stick Tigress
quote:Well. That's because there's a giant glut of people with law degrees. Unfortunately, in the 80s and 90s, every third reasonably bright person seemed to think a law degree was a ticket to instant millions.
When I was still working a few years ago, newbie attorneys were applying for paralegal and legal assistant positions which are well below their skill level.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:51 pm to Kujo
Half of them probably wouldn't have gotten the "no degree required" job without a degree.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:52 pm to Kujo
And 45% of people get damned near worthless degrees.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:59 pm to Kujo
What race are you? That's a very important question when talking about Exxon hiring you.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:12 pm to ShortyRob
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That's because there's a giant glut of people with law degrees.
Then why isn't the price for legal work near rock bottom prices?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:19 pm to CaptainBrannigan
quote:I can't speak to what lawyers charge.
Then why isn't the price for legal work near rock bottom prices?
I can speak to why they can't find jobs.
It's not like this isn't a pretty well researched subject.
If I had to guess on legal work prices, I'd start by saying that legal work for run of the mill shite is relatively static. Hell, it's cheaper to get divorced today than when I got divorced 11 years ago!
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:26 pm to ShortyRob
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This is why I volunteer
I used to volunteer, but it doesn't pay
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:02 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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Then why isn't the price for legal work near rock bottom prices?
What do you consider rock bottom prices?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:12 am to Warfarer
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go volunteer somewhere for a year
Yeah, I worked my way through college so no time to work for free.
When looking for another job, I finally found a HR job (which was a field I really wanted) for a few thousand less per year than what I was already making, so it was that..or another job in more a business operations setting for several thousand more.
As much as I would like to enter the HR field, my bills need to be paid and I wasn't taking less money with no guarantee of a promotion soon after.
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