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re: 3K inmates in Louisiana could get parole under new law
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:24 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:24 pm to Joshjrn
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The fact that you're bringing up low level, quick release systems as a rebuttal to changes in the law that now allow people to be released after spending decades incarcerated is... odd.
Link?
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Link?
The last time we discussed bond reform in depth? Which was, what, less than a month ago?
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:25 pm to Joshjrn
Maybe you can take some of these outstanding citizens into your home to aid their transition.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:28 pm to Icansee4miles
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Maybe you can take some of these outstanding citizens into your home to aid their transition.
I've spent a fair amount of time with men who were released after the ruling in Montgomery, and I donate to organizations that help them find housing and adjust.
As for moving into my home: I would tell my own mother no unless she had an extremely good reason, so this barb is just silly and finds no purchase with me
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:29 pm to Joshjrn
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The last time
Jesus Christ dude. Really?
I thought you were actually an intelligent dude.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:30 pm to Icansee4miles
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Maybe you can take some of these outstanding citizens into your home to aid their transition
The recidivation rate will be incredible, most will be back in prison within a year.
Naïve people just don't realize some folks aren't redeemable. They blame systems.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Jesus Christ dude. Really?
I thought you were actually an intelligent dude.
I have no idea what you're saying. Are you saying we didn't have that conversation recently? Are you asking me to find a link to an argument you're making? Type out more than two lines.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The recidivation rate will be incredible, most will be back in prison within a year.
Naïve people just don't realize some folks aren't redeemable. They blame systems.
Recidivism rates for geriatric parolees are through the floor. Study after study was published both while Montgomery v. Louisiana was being argued, and afterwards. Every study I've ever read has them with recidivism rates (including any arrest/conviction whatsoever, not just crimes of violence) as less than 5%.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:38 pm to Joshjrn
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Are you saying we didn't have that conversation recently?
I'm saying you're very confused. We discussed cash bail the other day, this is a totally different subject.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm saying you're very confused. We discussed cash bail the other day, this is a totally different subject.
This is a totally different subject, and there isn't a single study I've ever seen that supports your position that geriatric parolees have anything other than rock-bottom recidivism rates. Can you point me to anything to the contrary?
That's the root of my confusion. You appear to be handwaving at a body of knowledge I know doesn't exist.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:40 pm to Icansee4miles
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Maybe you can take some of these outstanding citizens into your home to aid their transition.
I personally tried, my wife's cousin. Thieves are thieves.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:42 pm to Joshjrn
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This is a totally different subject,
yes, and nothing previously said has anything to do with it, with the exception that CJ reform can be a huge burden on law abiding citizens if its not done correctly.
Empty the jails with non violent, non property criminals, keep the rest locked up. If not, property crimes will make your city unlivable.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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yes, and nothing previously said has anything to do with it, with the exception that CJ reform can be a huge burden on law abiding citizens if its not done correctly.
Empty the jails with non violent, non property criminals, keep the rest locked up.
Do you have any evidence to the contrary that geriatric parolees, even those convicted of violent crimes, have extremely low recidivism rates? And if you don't, does that not contradict your fundamental premise?
I'm fine with your saying that they deserve to stay in jail. I may disagree with you, but that's a matter of opinion. But whether they pose a significant danger to society is fairly well studied.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 2:49 pm to Joshjrn
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I'm fine with your saying that they deserve to stay in jail. I may disagree with you, but that's a matter of opinion. But whether they pose a significant danger to society is fairly well studied.
Repeat offenders don’t offend repeatedly once they’ve repeated their offense.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 3:11 pm to Joshjrn
What programs would you like to see to combat recidivism rates among violent offenders?
Posted on 8/1/21 at 3:39 pm to Breauxsif
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What programs would you like to see to combat recidivism rates among violent offenders?
Are you asking about all violent offenders, including young ones, or the kind of "long time incarcerated" geriatric parolees the law change pertains to?
Posted on 8/1/21 at 4:20 pm to Joshjrn
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Yep, super sheltered and naive after being a crime proponent in Baton Rouge, LA, for nearly a decade
FIFY
Posted on 8/1/21 at 4:21 pm to Breauxsif
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What programs would you like to see to combat recidivism rates among violent offenders?
Doesn’t the one involving veterans have great success?
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This is the one that I was thinking of:
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The Louisiana Parole Project
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None of the Louisiana Parole Project clients have returned to prison; most are employed, have stable housing, and Hundley hopes a few will soon follow in his path of higher education.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 4:45 pm to jimmy the leg
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Louisiana Parole Project
One of the organizations I donate to. They do great work, and while they do work with veterans, their primary focus (as you can read on their homepage) are people who have been incarcerated for 20+ years. Andrew Hundley himself spent 19 years in DOC for murder.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 4:46 pm to jimmy the leg
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FIFY
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