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re: What coach worth anything would accept our roster/cap situation?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/28/25 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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doesn't really do anything special there, and now he's a top candidate?
You can’t be fricking serious.
We all saw how bad the Eagles offense was last year down the stretch. Saquon magically fixed all that all on his own, huh? Shame he couldn’t do that in New York..Get the frick out of here, man. He was known as a pass happy play caller in Dallas and LA. He grew from that and led the second best rushing offense in the NFL that has mostly the same players from an offense that a year ago was fricking pathetic. They were blown the frick out by Tampa Bay for Christ Sake and everyone thought Sirriani was going to be fired.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:00 am to WicKed WayZ
Here's a question:
Would Moore publicly turning down the Saints job to stay OC (like Brady) be the best thing to happen to the Saints in the long run?
ie The shear embarrassment would force Gayle/Lauscha to take a harder look at the condition of her franchise.
Would Moore publicly turning down the Saints job to stay OC (like Brady) be the best thing to happen to the Saints in the long run?
ie The shear embarrassment would force Gayle/Lauscha to take a harder look at the condition of her franchise.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Great. Two more useless websites and another one with a known track record with an agenda against our organization. And again, I never said we didn’t have a bad job. We do.
I was just laughing at us taking Jacob fricking Eckberg as gospel and acting like there was some elite pool of candidates this year that passed us over. There wasn’t any “elite” candidates that were ever genuinely interested in any other jobs other than what they took (other than maybe Glenn - if you wanna call him an elite candidate.)
I was just laughing at us taking Jacob fricking Eckberg as gospel and acting like there was some elite pool of candidates this year that passed us over. There wasn’t any “elite” candidates that were ever genuinely interested in any other jobs other than what they took (other than maybe Glenn - if you wanna call him an elite candidate.)
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:02 am to WicKed WayZ
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Shame he couldn’t do that in New York.
He's a RB. They're the most roster dependent position on offense.
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from an offense that a year ago was fricking pathetic
2023: 8th in yards (6024), 12th in ypp (5.4)
2024: 8th in yards (6242), 11th in ypp (5.6)
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:04 am to Fun Bunch
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Here's a question: Would Moore publicly turning down the Saints job to stay OC (like Brady) be the best thing to happen to the Saints in the long run? ie The shear embarrassment would force Gayle/Lauscha to take a harder look at the condition of her franchise.
Yes. Until we cut Mickey out this shite is still bottoming out.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:04 am to Fun Bunch
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Would Moore publicly turning down the Saints job to stay OC (like Brady) be the best thing to happen to the Saints in the long run?
Probably. But that’s not going to happen. He’ll take the job and Loomis will give him 4-5 years because he needs Moore to work. Mickey’s ego and desperate need to prove he’s a genius will give Moore an extremely long rope. He’ll get a chance to turn it around with Carr and if he doesn’t, he’ll get a chance to turn it around with a rookie QB. If that doesn’t work, both Loomis and Moore will be gone.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
“Down the stretch”
Their offense fell apart last year. They put up 17 points or less in 4 of their last 6 games last year. Two of the games they scored were against two of the worst teams in the NFL last year (Cards and Giants). It was a train wreck. Everyone was calling them that. They fired both coordinators and everyone thought Sirriani was GONE
You can poke holes in Moore’s demeanor all you want. He’s just as qualified as an offensive mind as Coen who you seem so eager to suck off. Moore had Dallas as the 1st, 3rd and 7th ranked offenses in the NFL in 3 out of 4 seasons. The 17th ranked year was because Dak got hurt early in the year.
You’ve said yourself numerous times on this board and others how you loved how Philly always took on cheap RBs and never paid RBs big money because good ones were a dime a dozen and don’t fricking lie and say you haven’t because you have. But because Moore is a serious candidate and has had success had 3 different franchises, suddenly it’s all because of Saquon. Got it
Their offense fell apart last year. They put up 17 points or less in 4 of their last 6 games last year. Two of the games they scored were against two of the worst teams in the NFL last year (Cards and Giants). It was a train wreck. Everyone was calling them that. They fired both coordinators and everyone thought Sirriani was GONE
You can poke holes in Moore’s demeanor all you want. He’s just as qualified as an offensive mind as Coen who you seem so eager to suck off. Moore had Dallas as the 1st, 3rd and 7th ranked offenses in the NFL in 3 out of 4 seasons. The 17th ranked year was because Dak got hurt early in the year.
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He's a RB. They're the most roster dependent position on offense.
You’ve said yourself numerous times on this board and others how you loved how Philly always took on cheap RBs and never paid RBs big money because good ones were a dime a dozen and don’t fricking lie and say you haven’t because you have. But because Moore is a serious candidate and has had success had 3 different franchises, suddenly it’s all because of Saquon. Got it
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:15 am to WicKed WayZ
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Down the stretch” Their offense fell apart last year. They put up 13 points or less in 4 of their last five games last year. It was a train wreck. Everyone was calling them that.
Who are we talking about?
Philly in 2023?
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 9:16 am
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:17 am to St Augustine
It was 17 points or less in 4 of their last 6 games but yes. Philly was abysmal last year down the stretch. They put up 9 points in their playoff game against Tampa
They were not good despite all that talent, hence why they fired their OC
They were not good despite all that talent, hence why they fired their OC
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:18 am to WicKed WayZ
The Eagles also are probably the worst passing team to be in the Super Bowl in a long time, right?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:23 am to Fun Bunch
500 yards less passing than the Chiefs and only 2 less passing touchdowns than them too.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:26 am to WicKed WayZ
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“Down the stretch”
Their offense fell apart last year.
And yet the total output was effectively the same with Barkley added. Think about what that says about Moore's impact.
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It was a train wreck. Everyone was calling them that. They fired both coordinators
I'm not saying we should hire the Eagles' 2023 coordinator either, for the record.
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You’ve said yourself numerous times on this board and others how you loved how Philly always took on cheap RBs and never paid RBs big money
And they changed last year, apparently. It may not be a total philosophical shift and may have just been a value assessment on a specific scenario/individual/contract.
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because good ones were a dime a dozen
Correct.
Why? They're the most roster dependent position on offense.
A good OL and scheme can make a mediocre RB look fine. That good OL and scheme will help out elsewhere, while the RB will not. That's why you invest in OL and scheme for you run game and not RBs.
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. But because Moore is a serious candidate and has had success had 3 different franchises, suddenly it’s all because of Saquon.
I didn't say that.
YOU brought up Saquan and YOU said:
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We all saw how bad the Eagles offense was last year down the stretch. Saquon magically fixed all that all on his own, huh? Shame he couldn’t do that in New York..Get the frick out of here, man. He was known as a pass happy play caller in Dallas and LA. He grew from that and led the second best rushing offense in the NFL that has mostly the same players from an offense that a year ago was fricking pathetic. They were blown the frick out by Tampa Bay for Christ Sake and everyone thought Sirriani was going to be fired.
My post to which you made this one:
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iam Coen is about as hot of a coordinator name that we've seen the past 5+ years not named Ben Johnson.
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He's been interviewing for HC jobs for years and was never close to being hired, then goes to PHI, doesn't really do anything special there, and now he's a top candidate?
Look, he may work out, as these things are like picking QBs, but he's not some top candidate. He's a known guy who has interviewed a million times and never was really considered anywhere.
Saquan mentioned 0 times.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:29 am to WicKed WayZ
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It was 17 points or less in 4 of their last 6 games but yes. Philly was abysmal last year down the stretch. They put up 9 points in their playoff game against Tampa
With almost 25% of their games subject to this down turn, how in the hell did Moore only marginally improve their offensive output with Saquan added in? Why as his output in the other 13 games so bad compared to 2023's first 13 games?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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And yet the total output was effectively the same with Barkley added. Think about what that says about Moore's impact.
Yeah for sure. Hurts having career highs in completion%, TD%, and passer rating means Moore has zero fricking impact. Got it.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:32 am to WicKed WayZ
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Hurts having career highs in completion%, TD%, and passer rating means Moore has zero fricking impact. Got it.
Where was the ypp impact on their overall offense?
0.2ypp increase with Saquan (-Kelce)
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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With almost 25% of their games subject to this down turn, how in the hell did Moore only marginally improve their offensive output with Saquan added in? Why as his output in the other 13 games so bad compared to 2023's first 13 games?
What the frick are you talking about? I’m not talking about the entirety of their offense in 2023. I’m talking about at the tail end when they were spiraling as an offense and put up 9 fricking points in their playoff game
They were not good. They didn’t fall off this year. They just set a fricking record for most rushing TDs in an NFCCG and had fricking Will Dissley running wild. If they were a good offense then why didn’t they just run it back with the same guy?
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:38 am to WicKed WayZ
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What the frick are you talking about?
It's pretty clear.
Nobody is doubting that the final 4 games in 2023 was bad. However, with this terrible downswing (led by an OC we are clearly not considering) occupying almost a quarter of the season, the offensive output (in both yards and ypp) in 2024 was similar.
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I’m not talking about the entirety of their offense in 2023. I
I am, to show there was almost no overall improvement under Moore.
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They were not good. They didn’t fall off this year.
Lower ceiling and higher floor. Not an inspiring factoid.
I think we all agree if we want to go the OC route, we want the super high ceiling type of guy.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
You’re also completely disregarding how his offenses finished in Dallas and how he had the Chargers trending in the right direction before Herbert was injured.
Like I’ve said previously, if you want to poke holes in his leadership qualities, how goofy he looks, his demeanor, I won’t stop you. But the dude is a good offensive mind and has the respect of many, many people in the NFL according to Underhill and plenty of other league wide reporters. Does that mean he’s going to have success here? No. That will be dependent on the draft, which we haven’t been good at.
You and I both know saying Moore hasn’t had an impact on Philly’s offense is a terrible fricking take. Pretty much everyone who studies the NFL will disagree with you.
Like I’ve said previously, if you want to poke holes in his leadership qualities, how goofy he looks, his demeanor, I won’t stop you. But the dude is a good offensive mind and has the respect of many, many people in the NFL according to Underhill and plenty of other league wide reporters. Does that mean he’s going to have success here? No. That will be dependent on the draft, which we haven’t been good at.
You and I both know saying Moore hasn’t had an impact on Philly’s offense is a terrible fricking take. Pretty much everyone who studies the NFL will disagree with you.
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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I am, to show there was almost no overall improvement under Moore.
Except I’ve given you plenty of statistics about Hurts and their rushing offense to prove otherwise. But again, you’ll just write that off as “Saquan” (spelled incorrectly) or their offensive line.
There’s more to an offensive than just ypp. He came in and in year 1 improved the offense. Bottom line. End of discussion
Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Somebody looking for something to do while getting a fat check?
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