The Saints have made 25 draft day trades since 2008

well, today we trade down with dallas for 12/20

I don’t like it with Dallas because I don’t think there’s a shot in hell they give 20 to go to 8.

And they don’t have a 2 this year. If they give us a 1 next year, I would do it

12/20 probably gets you Lemon and Ioane ... would smash

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12/20 probably gets you Lemon and Ioane ... would smash

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Could also get you Loane/ Thieneman and still go WR #42.

Bain may even be available at #12. There's a realistic possibility you have WR at #9/ #10/ #11.

#6: OL
#7/#8: Delane/ Downs
Chiefs: Tate #9
Giants: Tyson #10
Dolphins: Lemon #11

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Could also get you Loane/ Thieneman and still go WR #42.

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I don’t think we’re keeping 42 if we end up with 12/20

On all the value charts I’m seeing even if we gave 8 and 42 for 12/20 we’re still “winning” by 200 points. Obviously that would be reasonable depending on players. It’s not really close value wise without 42 being included and you’d think Dallas would have to be enamored with someone to give up 20 to move 4 spots

You think Dallas is going to give up number 20 for a 2nd and 3rd NEXT year all to move from 12 to 8?

I’m gonna need some of those black and gold glasses as mine aren’t that clear.

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You think Dallas is going to give up number 20 for a 2nd and 3rd NEXT year all to move from 12 to 8?

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Do you think Dallas values #20 higher than the player they are dead set on trading up for?

You are confused about who has the leverage here. If Dallas wants that player and WE are on the clock then they either make the trade or don't get the player.

If they don't like the offer then we simply don't do it. We have all the leverage.

If they don't give us #20 while keeping #42 then I don't think any of this happens. It doesnt matter what they will/ won't do, it only matters what we will/ won't accept.

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I’m not confused about anything this is all fabricated and isn’t going to happen for those values in reality.

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Yeah that's exactly what I just said.

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You can craft any story in your mind that you’d like

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The story I crafted was exactly what you said you weren't confused about and then agreed with. So i think you are confused.

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It takes two teams to tango hoss.

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Doesn't apply here. It takes 1 team to have leverage and the decision to accept or decline. We simply don't accept at #42 and only do it with '27 picks or 73.

I never said Dallas would for sure trade #12/#20 for #8 + anything other than #42. I said if Dallas isn't willing to take #8 without #42 then its not happening.

We were in agreement. You are arguing value and I'm arguing cost.

The value of a pencil may be $1. If that pencil is only offered for a cost of $5 then the value of $1 doesn't matter in regards to the deal. How much do they like the pencil? That's what matters. If Dallas thinks that guy is the difference maker, they do it. If they don't then it never happens.