re: So Brees is the NFL leader in yards, TDs, comp%; is 13-3, yet isnt the MVP?

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I never choose players based solely on one stat.

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it was meant for sltiger29.

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it was meant for sltiger29

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I don't either.

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What about when player C replaces player A and accounts for more TDs and yards in a game than player A has done in the four years he's been starting?

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oh now there's a qualifier?

What happened to taking 46 over 45?



It completely changed suddenly to now taking 47 over48, odd

Did you not say you'd take the guy with more TDs once less TDs?

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No, I got the point. The point you were making was that if Brees had two options at TE like Brady does then Graham wouldn't have had the record, which was wrong, and

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Then you didn't get the point,

the point is 1 less good player, its less likely he will break an individual record but that doesn't mean the QB is better or worse. The all time record for TE's is nice, but doesn't tell you anything other than the TE that set it is used in the passing game more and is a good receiver. When you have QB's throwing for all time record yards and they use TE's a lot, its not surprising the TE's set records in years with QB's setting records. The record Graham broke was Kellen Winslow's he set it in 1980, when Dan Fouts set the single season passing record. In the case of NE, outside of Welker their WR are pretty bad, so they throw to the TE's a lot as they are the #2 and #3 rec for them, that's extremely unusual. Sorry i wasn't keeping up with NE's rec stats, but since I'm not a fan of them idgaf who their leading rec is.

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The greater point you were making was that Jimmy Graham breaking a receiving yards record has nothing to do with who was passing him the football, which was stupid.

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Wrong again. Actually its the opposite, having WR or TE set records does not necessarily tell you anything about the season or value of the QB tht year. The single season record for Rec yards is held by Jerry Rice, the QB was Steve Young. #2 (set the same year) is Issac Bruce, the QB(s) throwing him the ball were Chris Miller and Mark Rypien. By contrast no Saints WR in 2011 had even 1000 yds. Setting receiving records does not tell you anything about the QB so using Graham setting a record is not something to use to boost Brees MVP candidacy any more that not having any 1 guy set a positional record hurts Rodgers. That's the important point.

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What happened to taking 46 over 45?

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You just don't understand what the frick we're talking about. We're talking about the Most Valuable Player in the NFL. Peyton Manning has more of those awards than anyone else in history. Want to know why? Look at his team with him last year and without him this year.

Drew Brees' team without him is nothing. Not .500, not six wins, probably not even two wins. I have serious doubts as to whether or not anyone affiliated with the Saints organization outside of Jim Henderson and Jon Vilma would even know what to do when they went to work without Brees as QB.

And a backup making his second NFL start just put up the greatest passing game in the history of the Green Bay Packers. You please tell me which QB is worth more to his organization.

Do I want more touchdown passes instead of less touchdown passes? Yes, I do.



That was the quote.but now it's suddenly changed.


Now you're saying you don't wasn't the guy with more TDs.

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damn that word "valuable". Gets in the way every time.

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I'm just trying to understand why he said 2 completely different things, is all

Yeah, you asked me about whatever bullshite average or Td per attempts or whatever the frick stupid back pocket stat you were trying to use to jack Rodgers off, and I was trying to simplify it for you.

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You just don't understand what the frick we're talking about. We're talking about the Most Valuable Player in the NFL. Peyton Manning has more of those awards than anyone else in history. Want to know why? Look at his team with him last year and without him this year.

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Remember what happened when Shaun Alexander left Seattle?

Something else I don't understand......why can there not be a co-mvp argument? Both are deserving, I just feel personally that Brees deserves it more for the ridiculous records he's broken and the pack he's currently leading (that's a pun, btw).