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re: So Brees is the NFL leader in yards, TDs, comp%; is 13-3, yet isnt the MVP?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:08 pm to Breesus
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:08 pm to Breesus
Do you recognize that Brees' tendency to turn over the ball is much greater than Rodgers? Do you recognize that this is important when comparing QBs? And it's not just this year, Rodgers has an almost unbelievable 132 TDs to only 38 INTs. Which is a 3.47 to 1 TD to INT ratio. Brees has 281 TDs to 146 INTs which is a 1.92 to 1 TD to INT ratio.
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:15 pm to STERLING
I think what's more telling is to look at the MVP winners from the last 5 years. Then take a look at the team's record, then the qb's stats/rbs stats.
I then challenge them to argue why Aaron Rodgers deserves MVP more than drew brees.
I then challenge them to argue why Aaron Rodgers deserves MVP more than drew brees.
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:16 pm to shel311
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No. I'm a Saints fan who strives to be as unbiased as possible, and while i hope Brees gets it, I think Rodgers is most deserving.
This
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:17 pm to jdrumdog
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I think what's more telling is to look at the MVP winners from the last 5 years. Then take a look at the team's record, then the qb's stats.
But what does that have to do with my opinion on who should win MVP?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:18 pm to shel311
What I meant was that those numbers just don't stand out to me quite as much. As far as I know, Rodgers has not set a single record this year. Even Flynn set a Packers record with the same team.
How many has Brees broken? I've lost count but I know it's several, all in one season. He leads the best offense in league history. These things have got to count for something, it's just too eye-popping to ignore. I think most level-headed NFL fans would agree that Brees has had a type of season that we've never seen before. He also finished alot stronger than Rodgers in the second half of the season. The motto is after all, "it's not how you start, it's how you finish"
How many has Brees broken? I've lost count but I know it's several, all in one season. He leads the best offense in league history. These things have got to count for something, it's just too eye-popping to ignore. I think most level-headed NFL fans would agree that Brees has had a type of season that we've never seen before. He also finished alot stronger than Rodgers in the second half of the season. The motto is after all, "it's not how you start, it's how you finish"
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:22 pm to Starchild
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As far as I know, Rodgers has not set a single record this year.
Qb rating, which encompasses all passing stats, and doesn't factor in Rodgers's running advantage.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:30 pm to Starchild
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Flynn set a Packers record with the same team.
Two, actually.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:32 pm to shel311
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Qb rating, which encompasses all passing stats, and doesn't factor in Rodgers's running advantage.
The one stat that is getting thrown to the side, is turnovers. Rodgers protects the immensely better than Brees, couple that with his running advantage, I don't see how anyone can argue that Brees is in fact better than Rodgers.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:35 pm to Starchild
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What I meant was that those numbers just don't stand out to me quite as much.
Cumulative stats like most yards are awesome, but that % are more telling. Please note, this is not a knock on Brees, because he's had an amazing season, one of the 5-10 best every, but Rodgers had been better, even if its slightly better.
The records are fun, and great to brag about, but they can be products of a lot of different things. They type of coach, quality of defense, is the team behind more often etc, etc. Not to take anything away from the records, because they are great, but they are not the end all be all when evaluating who had the better season.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:36 pm to STERLING
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I don't see how anyone can argue that Brees is in fact better than Rodgers.
I don't either. I mean meaningless stats such as passing touchdowns, passing completions, passing yards, and completion percentages are vastly overrrated.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:38 pm to SLTiger29
They actually are overrated lol.
The TD passes is a perfect example.
The TD passes is a perfect example.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:40 pm to shel311
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The TD passes is a perfect example
Agreed. There's no reason to ever find the end zone, when you think about it.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but they are not the end all be all when evaluating who had the better season.
that would be that pesky word "valuable". The argument isn't over who had the better season. It's an argument over who should be the NFL Most Valuable Player.
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:42 pm to shel311
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They actually are overrated lol.
The TD passes is a perfect example.
I knew as soon as Brees threw #46, that would be thrown out. Of course, they totally ignore that Rodgers played only 15 games, still has more total TDs, with 9 less turnovers, on considerably fewer attempts. I know, those pesky %...
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:43 pm to jdrumdog
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that would be that pesky word "valuable". The argument isn't over who had the better season. It's an argument over who should be the NFL Most Valuable Player.
Agreed. It has nothing to do with whose the better QB, WR, RB, etc. It's whose the most valuable player, of any position
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:43 pm to SLTiger29
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Agreed. There's no reason to ever find the end zone, when you think about it.
Saying stupid stuff like this is the equivalent of you throwing in the towel.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Saying stupid stuff like if the Saints had two good TEs like New England does Graham wouldn't have the record is the equivalent of you throwing in the towel.
FIFY
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:46 pm to SLTiger29
lol
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:47 pm to jdrumdog
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that would be that pesky word "valuable". The argument isn't over who had the better season. It's an argument over who should be the NFL Most Valuable Player.
It has always been based on performance, who is most "valuable" is entirely subjective and impossible to tell. It is entirely reasonable to look at stats and say the guy who has better efficiency stats and plays of the top team is most "valuable".
except in the case of Peyton Manning, but as was pointed out he didn't play.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:49 pm to SLTiger29
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Agreed. There's no reason to ever find the end zone, when you think about it.
are you actually saying you'd prefer 46 TD passes to 45(in one less game, mind you) over a TD pass 9.2% if the time to 6.6% of the time?
I mean, seriously?
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