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Saints' New Addition Could Have Bigger Impact Than Expected
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:20 pm
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Plenty of new addition has made national headlines for the New Orleans Saints. Offseason signings like quarterback Derek Carr, running back Jamaal Williams and tight end Foster Moreau are all sure to have a major impact for the team this year, but one signing may make a larger difference than expected: wide receiver Bryan
Edwards.
The 24-year-old pass-catcher has three years of NFL experience including over 20 games with Carr as his signal caller. The two are now reunited in New Orleans that alone could lead to further opportunity with team. But there are quite a few additional factors that Edwards contributes as well.
In the wideout's final year with Carr and the Las Vegas Raiders he may have spent the majority of his time lining up out wide, but he still took around 20% of his snaps from the slot, per Pro Football Focus. That could open him up to immediately challenge for the fourth wide receiver spot behind Michael Thomas, Chris Olave and Rashid Shaheed. He will have to compete throughout camp in order to earn that chance, of course. But he built some good momentum during mandatory minicamps.
Not to mention, should another rash of bad injury luck set in for Thomas, Edwards is a shoo-in to take over the X-receiver role. His route distribution from 2021 gives a good glimpse as to why. He ran quite a few vertical routes with 98 "go routes" and 28 up the seam. But he also added more than 30 reps running each of the following routes: corner, out, hitch, dig, post, and slant, charting reveals. Quite the diverse deployment.
That kind of versatility, familiarity with the quarterback and style of offense and size (6-foot-3, 215 pounds) could lead to Edwards having a bigger impact in 2023 than some may be anticipating. But there are others who can come in and make an unexpected impression. For more, here are some of the often unheralded new arrivals the Saints News Network staff will be watching.
Kyle T. Mosley - Managing Editor & Founder
Shaquan Davis, a naturally gifted wide receiver, will receive valuable guidance from Saints receivers coach Kodi Burns. Davis, 6-foot-5 and 215 pounds, immediately captured my attention after torching the Jackson State secondary in the 2021 Celebration Bowl. He grabbed 3 touchdown catches, won the game's MVP award, and earned a 2021 HBCU National Championship ring with the South Carolina State Bulldogs.
Davis effectively utilizes his height, length, and strength to overcome challenging and physically aggressive defensive backs. His pass-catching ability and movement away from the football remind me of him being a hybrid between wideouts Marques Colston and DeAndre Hopkins.
It may be difficult for him to secure a spot on the team's 53-man roster since there are many skilled wide receivers in the New Orleans receiving corps. However, Davis may make the team despite the competition in training camp — just as Colston did in 2006.
John Hendrix - Lead Writer/Report
This might be cheating a bit, but the tandem of defensive tackles Khalen Saunders and Nathan Shepherd would get my vote as two who are under the radar and could surprise many. New Orleans has struggled a good bit with consistency from the trenches, and those two bring a lot of upside in the pass rush department. Paired with new defensive line coach Todd Grantham, these two veterans are going to boost the rotation and help the Saints defensive line lead the charge getting after the quarterback.
Bob Rose - Senior Writer
The offseason loss of linebacker Kaden Elliss creates a possible void at No. 3 spot. I expect a big jump from D'Marco Jackson, but another name to watch is Anfernee Orji, the undrafted rookie from Vanderbilt.
A relentless defender, Orji flies all over the field in pursuit. His run blitzes and pass pressures are well-timed, and he's a fluid athlete in zone coverage. Orji has the skills of a situational backup with the upside of an every down weakside linebacker.
Also a link to Locked on Saints Podcast. Discusses Foster Moreau and Bryan Edward's route tree and how he would fit in.
Plenty of new addition has made national headlines for the New Orleans Saints. Offseason signings like quarterback Derek Carr, running back Jamaal Williams and tight end Foster Moreau are all sure to have a major impact for the team this year, but one signing may make a larger difference than expected: wide receiver Bryan
Edwards.
The 24-year-old pass-catcher has three years of NFL experience including over 20 games with Carr as his signal caller. The two are now reunited in New Orleans that alone could lead to further opportunity with team. But there are quite a few additional factors that Edwards contributes as well.
In the wideout's final year with Carr and the Las Vegas Raiders he may have spent the majority of his time lining up out wide, but he still took around 20% of his snaps from the slot, per Pro Football Focus. That could open him up to immediately challenge for the fourth wide receiver spot behind Michael Thomas, Chris Olave and Rashid Shaheed. He will have to compete throughout camp in order to earn that chance, of course. But he built some good momentum during mandatory minicamps.
Not to mention, should another rash of bad injury luck set in for Thomas, Edwards is a shoo-in to take over the X-receiver role. His route distribution from 2021 gives a good glimpse as to why. He ran quite a few vertical routes with 98 "go routes" and 28 up the seam. But he also added more than 30 reps running each of the following routes: corner, out, hitch, dig, post, and slant, charting reveals. Quite the diverse deployment.
That kind of versatility, familiarity with the quarterback and style of offense and size (6-foot-3, 215 pounds) could lead to Edwards having a bigger impact in 2023 than some may be anticipating. But there are others who can come in and make an unexpected impression. For more, here are some of the often unheralded new arrivals the Saints News Network staff will be watching.
Kyle T. Mosley - Managing Editor & Founder
Shaquan Davis, a naturally gifted wide receiver, will receive valuable guidance from Saints receivers coach Kodi Burns. Davis, 6-foot-5 and 215 pounds, immediately captured my attention after torching the Jackson State secondary in the 2021 Celebration Bowl. He grabbed 3 touchdown catches, won the game's MVP award, and earned a 2021 HBCU National Championship ring with the South Carolina State Bulldogs.
Davis effectively utilizes his height, length, and strength to overcome challenging and physically aggressive defensive backs. His pass-catching ability and movement away from the football remind me of him being a hybrid between wideouts Marques Colston and DeAndre Hopkins.
It may be difficult for him to secure a spot on the team's 53-man roster since there are many skilled wide receivers in the New Orleans receiving corps. However, Davis may make the team despite the competition in training camp — just as Colston did in 2006.
John Hendrix - Lead Writer/Report
This might be cheating a bit, but the tandem of defensive tackles Khalen Saunders and Nathan Shepherd would get my vote as two who are under the radar and could surprise many. New Orleans has struggled a good bit with consistency from the trenches, and those two bring a lot of upside in the pass rush department. Paired with new defensive line coach Todd Grantham, these two veterans are going to boost the rotation and help the Saints defensive line lead the charge getting after the quarterback.
Bob Rose - Senior Writer
The offseason loss of linebacker Kaden Elliss creates a possible void at No. 3 spot. I expect a big jump from D'Marco Jackson, but another name to watch is Anfernee Orji, the undrafted rookie from Vanderbilt.
A relentless defender, Orji flies all over the field in pursuit. His run blitzes and pass pressures are well-timed, and he's a fluid athlete in zone coverage. Orji has the skills of a situational backup with the upside of an every down weakside linebacker.
Also a link to Locked on Saints Podcast. Discusses Foster Moreau and Bryan Edward's route tree and how he would fit in.
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:20 am to hellsu
Here we go with the training camp star is going to be impactful...
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:26 am to hellsu
Insurance for Michael Toemas
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:14 am to hellsu
Oh, yeah. Mhm. Bryan Edwards. Uh huh.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:25 am to VictoryHill
Well he is only 24. And he got out of vegas like every other pass catcher so he has that going for him at least 
so he has that going for him at least Posted on 7/6/23 at 12:44 pm to goatmilker
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And he got out of vegas like every other pass catcher and proceeded to be a midseason release by the Falcons and then floated on the Chiefs practice squad for a month
FTFY
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:12 pm to VictoryHill
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And he got out of vegas like every other pass catcher and proceeded to be a midseason release by the Falcons and then floated on the Chiefs practice squad for a month
He is someone that has worked with Carr and I'm sure Carr felt comfortable enough with him to recommend they take a look. They signed him on a very pedestrian 0 guaranteed dollars contract. Not a lot of risk here. There is not a huge amount of talent past our 3 projected starters so the team is doing their due diligence.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:34 pm to VictoryHill
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and proceeded to be a midseason release by the Falcons and then floated on the Chiefs practice squad for a month
He started 1 game and 3 recp for the birds after being traded for in May. He did not pick them to play for. Looks like he wasn't to thrilled. As to KC I imagine a very hard recv corp to crack and at mid season.
You can sh!t all over him hill. No one is going to stop you. I think he has shown he is a 3-5th wideout in the NFL and being back with Carr will only help him make the team.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:10 pm to goatmilker
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He started 1 game and 3 recp for the birds after being traded for in May. He did not pick them to play for. Looks like he wasn't to thrilled. As to KC I imagine a very hard recv corp to crack and at mid season.
Neither of those receiving rooms were worth a shite last year. Atlanta had no one outside of London and KC’s guys were on a turnstile all year. They were hunting for a second receiver all year hence the Toney trade.
But yeah, he’s going to be the guy that’s going to have a surprise impact for the Saints. Got it.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 4:41 pm to VictoryHill
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a surprise impact for the Saints. Got it.
Got you down for being really really surprised if he has a good year
Posted on 7/6/23 at 5:49 pm to VictoryHill
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But yeah, he’s going to be the guy that’s going to have a surprise impact for the Saints. Got it.
Why haven't you submitted your application at the Saints Front Office and these various news organizations. It is obvious that they are wasting their time with their current analysts when someone with your vast untapped talent and endless knowledge is just withering on the vine. Your going to prove them all wrong. I just know it.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:04 pm to hellsu
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Why haven't you submitted your application at the Saints Front Office and these various news organizations. It is obvious that they are wasting their time with their current analysts when someone with your vast untapped talent and endless knowledge is just withering on the vine. Your going to prove them all wrong. I just know it.
You say this as though it's some kind of insult or something when NFL front offices miss on several players several times a year.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:46 pm to VictoryHill
Let's take a look at how the Saints draft picks have fared in comparison to the other teams picks over the past decade.
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Over the past decade, the first, second and third rounds of the NFL draft produced 1,019 picks. Below is a deep statistical dive into the numbers.
First, an overall look across the league sets the scene, divided into different categories (total picks for each team, active players and so on). Then we look at the best and worst teams in each category. Finally, see where the New Orleans Saints rank among the competition.
ALL OF THE NFL
First-round picks: 319
Active in 2022: 245 (76.8%)
Second-round picks: 318
Active in 2022: 230 (72.3%)
Third-round picks: 382
Active in 2022: 257 (67.3%)
Total picks: 1,019
Active in 2022: 732 (71.8%)
Primary Starters: 721 (70.8%)
Pro Bowlers: 191 (18.7%)
All-Pro first-teamers: 64 (6.3%)
HIGHEST COUNT BY TEAM
First-round picks:
High: 14 (New York Jets)
Low: 5 (Seattle Seahawks)
First-round picks active in 2022:
High: 12 (Baltimore Ravens, out of 13)
Low: 2 (Los Angeles Rams, out of 6)
Percentage of first-round picks active:
High: 100% (Seattle Seahawks, 5/5)
Low: 55.6% (Arizona Cardinals, 5/9)
Second-round picks:
High: 15 (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Low: 7 (Los Angeles Rams and Baltimore Ravens)
Second-round picks active in 2022:
High: 12 (Indianapolis Colts, out of 14)
Low: 4 (Baltimore Ravens, out of 7; San Francisco 49ers, out of 8; Washington Commanders, out of 8)
Percentage of second-round picks active:
High: 100% (Los Angeles Rams, 7/7; Minnesota Vikings, 8/8)
Low: 50% (Seattle Seahawks, 4/8; Washington Commanders, 4/8)
Third-round picks:
High: 18 (Baltimore Ravens)
Low: 5 (Chicago Bears)
Third-round picks active in 2022:
High: 13 (Baltimore Ravens, out of 18)
Low: 4 (Carolina Panthers, out of 8; Chicago Bears, out of 5)
Percentage of third-round picks active:
High: 90.9% (New Orleans Saints, 10/11)
Low: 45.5% (New York Jets, 5/11)
Total picks:
High: 39 (Cleveland Browns)
Low: 24 (Chicago Bears)
Active picks in 2022:
High: 29 (Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars)
Low: 18 (Chicago Bears and Los Angeles Rams)
Percentage of active picks in 2022:
High: 84.4% (Minnesota Vikings, 27/32)
Low: 57.6% (Houston Texans, 19/33; New York Jets, 19/33)
Primary Starters:
High: 32 (Jacksonville Jaguars)
Low: 17 (New England Patriots)
Pro Bowlers:
High: 10 (Dallas Cowboys, Kansas City Chiefs and Detroit Lions)
Low: 3 (New England Patriots)
All-Pro first-teamers:
High: 5 (Baltimore Ravens and Dallas Cowboys)
Low: 0 (Cincinnati Bengals)
Other observations:
All of the Seattle Seahawks’ first-round picks were active in 2022 (5/5).
All of the Los Angeles Rams’ second-round picks were active in 2022 (7/7).
All of the Minnesota Vikings’ second-round picks were active in 2022 (8/8).
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
First-round picks: 12
Tied for No. 3 with three other teams (Las Vegas Raiders, Miami Dolphins and San Francisco 49ers)
First-round picks active in 2022: 10
Tied for No. 3 with two other teams (Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants)
Percentage of first-round picks active: 83.3%
Tied for No. 7 with another team (Indianapolis Colts, 5/6)
Second-round picks: 8
Tied for No. 8 with six other teams (Los Angeles Chargers, Las Vegas Raiders, Minnesota Vikings, New York Jets, San Francisco 49ers and Washington Commanders)
Only the Baltimore Ravens and Los Angeles Rams have had fewer (7).
Active second-round picks in 2022: 6
Tied for No. 6 with four other teams (Houston Texans, Los Angeles Chargers, New England Patriots and Tennessee Titans)
There are two lower totals.
Percentage of second-round picks active: 75%
Tied for No. 10 with another team (Los Angeles Chargers, also 6/8)
Third-round picks: 11
Tied for No. 7 with five other teams (Arizona Cardinals, Indianapolis Colts, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings and New York Jets)
There are four lower totals.
Active third-round picks in 2022: 10
Tied for No. 3 with three other teams (Denver Broncos, Jacksonville Jaguars and New England Patriots)
Percentage of third-round picks active: 90.9%
No. 1 overall
Total picks: 31
Tied for No. 8 with four other teams (Pittsburgh Steelers, Dallas Cowboys, Indianapolis Colts and Seattle Seahawks)
Active in 2022: 26 (83.9%)
Tied for No. 3 with two other teams (New York Giants and Detroit Lions)
Percentage active: 83.9%
No. 2 overall
Only the Minnesota Vikings have a better mark (84.4%, 27/32)
Primary Starters: 26 (83.9%)
Tied for No. 4 with one other team (Las Vegas Raiders)
Pro Bowlers: 6 (19.4%)
Tied for No. 4 with seven other teams (Tennessee Titans, Arizona Cardinals, New York Jets, Jacksonville Jaguars, Green Bay Packers, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Commanders)
All-Pro first-teamers: 2 (6.5%)
Tied for No. 4 with five other teams (Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins, Las Vegas Raiders, Pittsburgh Steelers and Chicago Bears)
Granted this is not a simplified way of laying out the numbers but if you put The highest count by team columns side by side with the New Orleans Saints columns I think it pretty much blows your (Saints front office misses on several players several times a year) bullshite out of the water.
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Over the past decade, the first, second and third rounds of the NFL draft produced 1,019 picks. Below is a deep statistical dive into the numbers.
First, an overall look across the league sets the scene, divided into different categories (total picks for each team, active players and so on). Then we look at the best and worst teams in each category. Finally, see where the New Orleans Saints rank among the competition.
ALL OF THE NFL
First-round picks: 319
Active in 2022: 245 (76.8%)
Second-round picks: 318
Active in 2022: 230 (72.3%)
Third-round picks: 382
Active in 2022: 257 (67.3%)
Total picks: 1,019
Active in 2022: 732 (71.8%)
Primary Starters: 721 (70.8%)
Pro Bowlers: 191 (18.7%)
All-Pro first-teamers: 64 (6.3%)
HIGHEST COUNT BY TEAM
First-round picks:
High: 14 (New York Jets)
Low: 5 (Seattle Seahawks)
First-round picks active in 2022:
High: 12 (Baltimore Ravens, out of 13)
Low: 2 (Los Angeles Rams, out of 6)
Percentage of first-round picks active:
High: 100% (Seattle Seahawks, 5/5)
Low: 55.6% (Arizona Cardinals, 5/9)
Second-round picks:
High: 15 (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Low: 7 (Los Angeles Rams and Baltimore Ravens)
Second-round picks active in 2022:
High: 12 (Indianapolis Colts, out of 14)
Low: 4 (Baltimore Ravens, out of 7; San Francisco 49ers, out of 8; Washington Commanders, out of 8)
Percentage of second-round picks active:
High: 100% (Los Angeles Rams, 7/7; Minnesota Vikings, 8/8)
Low: 50% (Seattle Seahawks, 4/8; Washington Commanders, 4/8)
Third-round picks:
High: 18 (Baltimore Ravens)
Low: 5 (Chicago Bears)
Third-round picks active in 2022:
High: 13 (Baltimore Ravens, out of 18)
Low: 4 (Carolina Panthers, out of 8; Chicago Bears, out of 5)
Percentage of third-round picks active:
High: 90.9% (New Orleans Saints, 10/11)
Low: 45.5% (New York Jets, 5/11)
Total picks:
High: 39 (Cleveland Browns)
Low: 24 (Chicago Bears)
Active picks in 2022:
High: 29 (Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars)
Low: 18 (Chicago Bears and Los Angeles Rams)
Percentage of active picks in 2022:
High: 84.4% (Minnesota Vikings, 27/32)
Low: 57.6% (Houston Texans, 19/33; New York Jets, 19/33)
Primary Starters:
High: 32 (Jacksonville Jaguars)
Low: 17 (New England Patriots)
Pro Bowlers:
High: 10 (Dallas Cowboys, Kansas City Chiefs and Detroit Lions)
Low: 3 (New England Patriots)
All-Pro first-teamers:
High: 5 (Baltimore Ravens and Dallas Cowboys)
Low: 0 (Cincinnati Bengals)
Other observations:
All of the Seattle Seahawks’ first-round picks were active in 2022 (5/5).
All of the Los Angeles Rams’ second-round picks were active in 2022 (7/7).
All of the Minnesota Vikings’ second-round picks were active in 2022 (8/8).
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
First-round picks: 12
Tied for No. 3 with three other teams (Las Vegas Raiders, Miami Dolphins and San Francisco 49ers)
First-round picks active in 2022: 10
Tied for No. 3 with two other teams (Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants)
Percentage of first-round picks active: 83.3%
Tied for No. 7 with another team (Indianapolis Colts, 5/6)
Second-round picks: 8
Tied for No. 8 with six other teams (Los Angeles Chargers, Las Vegas Raiders, Minnesota Vikings, New York Jets, San Francisco 49ers and Washington Commanders)
Only the Baltimore Ravens and Los Angeles Rams have had fewer (7).
Active second-round picks in 2022: 6
Tied for No. 6 with four other teams (Houston Texans, Los Angeles Chargers, New England Patriots and Tennessee Titans)
There are two lower totals.
Percentage of second-round picks active: 75%
Tied for No. 10 with another team (Los Angeles Chargers, also 6/8)
Third-round picks: 11
Tied for No. 7 with five other teams (Arizona Cardinals, Indianapolis Colts, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings and New York Jets)
There are four lower totals.
Active third-round picks in 2022: 10
Tied for No. 3 with three other teams (Denver Broncos, Jacksonville Jaguars and New England Patriots)
Percentage of third-round picks active: 90.9%
No. 1 overall
Total picks: 31
Tied for No. 8 with four other teams (Pittsburgh Steelers, Dallas Cowboys, Indianapolis Colts and Seattle Seahawks)
Active in 2022: 26 (83.9%)
Tied for No. 3 with two other teams (New York Giants and Detroit Lions)
Percentage active: 83.9%
No. 2 overall
Only the Minnesota Vikings have a better mark (84.4%, 27/32)
Primary Starters: 26 (83.9%)
Tied for No. 4 with one other team (Las Vegas Raiders)
Pro Bowlers: 6 (19.4%)
Tied for No. 4 with seven other teams (Tennessee Titans, Arizona Cardinals, New York Jets, Jacksonville Jaguars, Green Bay Packers, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Commanders)
All-Pro first-teamers: 2 (6.5%)
Tied for No. 4 with five other teams (Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins, Las Vegas Raiders, Pittsburgh Steelers and Chicago Bears)
Granted this is not a simplified way of laying out the numbers but if you put The highest count by team columns side by side with the New Orleans Saints columns I think it pretty much blows your (Saints front office misses on several players several times a year) bullshite out of the water.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:49 pm to hellsu
Tell me you don’t math without telling me.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:04 pm to hellsu
This is very telling and goes in line with what I've said about the Pat's for years.
Yes they are one of the best teams, maybe the best, at acquiring draft picks. But they are also one of the worst at making good picks (lowest in starters and pro bowlers).
If you combined our efficiency with the Pat's number of picks, that team would be a juggernaut.
Yes they are one of the best teams, maybe the best, at acquiring draft picks. But they are also one of the worst at making good picks (lowest in starters and pro bowlers).
If you combined our efficiency with the Pat's number of picks, that team would be a juggernaut.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:22 pm to bonethug0180
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If you combined our efficiency with the Pat's number of picks, that team would be a juggernaut.
Quantity means nothing if you're making the wrong picks.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:31 pm to VictoryHill
quote:
Tell me you don’t math without telling me.
C'mon. Is that the best you've got?
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:35 am to VictoryHill
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Tell me you don’t math without telling me.
What do you mean? More simply what is your point with this?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:43 am to hellsu
You know it's the offseason when Bryan Edwards hype is coming. He's a mix of TO and Randy Moss, per multiple fantasy "experts" over the years.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:23 am to goatmilker
Pretty simple if you read my follow up post but I’ll break it down for you since you’re having trouble.
I said front offices miss on players every year. He responds with a bunch of percentages from drafts only - none of them 100% - which actually proves that they do indeed miss on several players every year. Let me know if I need to break it down into syllables for you or anything to further your understanding that anything less than 100% works against his own point.
I said front offices miss on players every year. He responds with a bunch of percentages from drafts only - none of them 100% - which actually proves that they do indeed miss on several players every year. Let me know if I need to break it down into syllables for you or anything to further your understanding that anything less than 100% works against his own point.
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