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Safety in early rounds?

Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:27 am
Posted by 1jw1
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:27 am
No one is talking safety in the draft, especially the early rounds.
If we do not move on Bush I think we will be looking at a safety in the early rounds.
We do not have enough depth without Bush there. I can see a safety before a corner.
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9436 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:33 am to
I think it's a possibility if one falls. We need depth but not starters.. we have two starters at safety long-term. There would be no sense in using an early pick for a guaranteed backup.

ETA: Unless they really wanna play a 4-2-5 all of the time
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 8:34 am
Posted by 1jw1
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
26 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:35 am to
Presently 9 CB on the roster and 3 S
I know all 9 are not starters but they can field a starting team with these. Not enough depth at safety especially with Ball just coming into the picture.
Posted by 1jw1
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
26 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:37 am to
Tho the Champ may drop back to a safety role....
I like Brooks out of Florida in the 2nd round
blazing fast and played corner as well
very versatile and athletic player.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 8:47 am
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:49 am to
We signed the CFL guy(Ball) who looks like a legit backup, and I imagine if push comes to shove Bailey and White could play there part time.

So no, I don't think we specifically target a safety early. However if one is clearly BPA I think they take him.

At the moment I only see C being a clear target almost regardless of BPA(though there has to be some value).

Then I think WR, LB, CB, and G have a position advantage if BPA is close.

Being that we have our 2 starters for at least 3 more years at safety, I can't put it in that group.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Unless they really wanna play a 4-2-5 all of the time
Even then, and especially how the depth of the positions have flipped, we could play standard 4-2-5(nickel) with 3 corners which we will more than likely do.

The ONLY reasons we played so much 3 safety was due to the depths at CB(2 legit starters and later only 1) vs. S(3 legit starters and later 4 once Bush showed out) and injuries to our 3rd(early 2nd game) and then 2nd(10th game) corners.

The 3 safety thing is the most overblown thing outside of people thinking we actually played 3-4 and Galette was an OLB.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 8:58 am
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:01 am to
The 3 safety thing also had a lot to do with Jenkins and Vaccaro playing in the slot so much in addition to depth at cb. We also didn't have a true, centerfield safety, although Bush was best at it.

The thing is, we paid Bryd a lot of money, and we're going to be playing a lot of single high safety. Ball and Vaccaro will be playing close to the line most of the time.

I'm thinking we won't match Bush's offer sheet because of Bryd, although having him for depth would be nice.

Which also leads me to believe we could target a FS type in the early rounds.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 9:02 am
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:11 am to
I wouldn't say target, but if one is BPA that is the type we would look at being, as you said, Vaccaro and Ball are both more close to the line SS types.

Edit:
And right about Jenkins and Vaccaro. At times they were our third "corner". Now that Jenkins is gone, we have Byrd and Bailey, Robinson is (hopefully)healthy, and White has more experience, I think corner is stronger and our safety roles will be more defined(they said as much with Vaccaro).

People shouldn't overlook the fact that Robinson has 25 legit starts to his name(plus 2 starts as a nickel; one a full season).
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 9:16 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66463 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:05 am to
quote:

I know all 9 are not starters but they can field a starting team with these.


3 backups don't equal a starter. you end up with 3 shitty cbs rotating
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:18 am to
Another thing to look at is contracts and how long these guys might be with us.

You look at safety and you have your top 3 set for the next 4 years, if not longer. Byrd has 6 years, Vaccaro 3 left + a 5th year team option, and Ball just signed on for 3 + a RFA year after that.

At corner, we have Lewis for 4 more years, Bailey for 2(if he lasts both years), Robinson for 1, and White for 2. Outside of Lewis, it isn't looking ideal.

We'll very likely need another corner before we need another safety, but we don't NEED to draft either this year, and we can get away at safety with an UDFA and maybe a vet added on for depth(plus the fact that Bailey and White could be potential fill ins).
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 10:20 am
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:33 am to
quote:

At the moment I only see C being a clear target almost regardless of BPA(though there has to be some value). Then I think WR, LB, CB, and G have a position advantage if BPA is close.


You have to give the FO credit; this is the first time in a long time that the BPA approach is absolutely legit. They did a great job of filling holes.

Yea, there is a need for a WR and C, but we could be very effective with what we have.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:47 am to
I wouldn't even say there is an immediate need at WR. Colston was still very good(despite what most say about him), Stills is definitely only going to improve and become fully legit, and between Morgan, Toon, and Tanner(lol to most I know) we'll have options for a third target.

I'd put WR and CB in about the same exact situation. You have an older vet that can still play on a 2-3 year, a very good young up and comer for 3-4 years, and then some young fringe guys on short contracts that may or may not pan out.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278321 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:52 am to
Colston is viable, but he is getting old and is injury prone. Pierre Thomas caught more balls than Colston did last year.


Morgan, Toon, and Tanner haven't proved jacked shite.


If there isn't an immediate need for a WR, then there isn't an immediate need at any position. We need to add depth there, which will do us good this year, but more importantly for the future.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 10:53 am
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:02 am to
I'm not saying to ignore it. I'm saying it's not immediate like center is, or safety would have been if we only had Vaccaro left.

And yeah Thomas caught 2 more balls but had way less yards(513 to 943) and less tds(2 to 5). Colston was the more effective receiver(though PT was very good, especially for a back).

And between those 3 guys at least 1 will step up.

Again, I'm not saying don't draft a WR. I put it up there with CB, G, and LB as the positions to target with BPA in mind. And with the depth at WR in the draft, I can't see us not getting one somewhere.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278321 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:11 am to
our WR's corps was pretty terrible last year compared to most of the other years under Payton. We've lost Moore, Colston will be a year older, and we've added no one up until this point.

Do we want Brees to lock in on Graham all year long again because no one else can get open? Brees isn't getting any younger. You have to replenish his weapons NOW. We've ignored it for too long, just thinking guys like Colston & Moore would be immortal. Brees is too big of an investment to be having to throw balls to Andy Tanner.

so yea, its priority #1 in my eyes and its not even close.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 11:14 am
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:33 am to
I agree with big parts of that, but you don't catch 75 balls by not being able to get open. Most people are acting like Colston is done and he's not.

It's definitely up there with CB, coverage LB, and replacing one of our two guards' huge salary(Grubbs preferable), all behind finding a legit center.

C
LB, CB, WR
G
DT/NT
Purely BPA

That's how I rank our needs.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 11:34 am
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64322 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:42 am to
I would rank center second as its much easier to get a serviceable one than a explosive playmaker for the offense.

We all know that Brees held the ball too long sometimes for lack of open targets. I think CSP has little patience for getting the right blocking and the correct play called only to see no one able to separate and give Drew a target.

Vets will be available before camp and during but for true playmakers he will look to the draft. Wouldn't be shocked at all if first two picks are new toys for coach. So far Rob's gotten all the good gifts.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
31637 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 11:54 am to
quote:

Wouldn't be shocked at all if first two picks are new toys for coach. So far Rob's gotten all the good gifts.
Interesting point.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

Brees held the ball too long sometimes
That was rare. More often it was the line giving him almost no time to find receivers and no time for the receivers to create separation.

Everyone wants to put it on the receivers, but the line played a much bigger part of our struggles. Once Evans got healthy it helped, but putting in Armstead in over Brown you could see the difference.

Again, I'm not saying we don't need receivers at all and I'm not saying we won't draft one, but everyone is making it out to be like the cupboard is bare and we are desperate.

I wouldn't be shocked with a 1st round receiver(especially if Cooks is there; pretty sure they were talking about him when they said there was a receiver that opened eyes at the combine), and I also wouldn't be shocked if we didn't get one until the 4th.

Look where they took Stills, and you could say we were in a similar situation last year when that happened.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 4/6/14 at 12:21 pm to
Actually, going back to last year, we were in a worse(not by much) position at WR.

Morgan and Toon were unknowns, Tanner was a preseason star only, and we only had Colston and Moore as proven guys. We didn't add Meachem until Morgan went down.

This year Morgan and Toon are unknowns, Tanner is a preseason star only, and we have Colston and Stills as proven guys.

I'd say Stills is better than Moore, and that is the ONLY difference between this year and last year before the draft.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 12:22 pm
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