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re: Report: Saints have met 'extensively' with Tennessee QB prospect Hendon Hooker
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:37 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:37 pm to saintsfan22
Maybe I'm drunk(a little) but if they can reach in the 1st why not in the rest of the draft?
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:55 pm to goatmilker
There's way less consensus later in the draft so it's less of a reach.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:58 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:05 pm to LSUChamps03
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Using this logic 23 year old Joe Burrow was carving up 20 year olds in 2019, so he’s a bum.
Burrow was 22 when he began his Senior season and didn't turn 23 until after the SEC Championship. Hooker was 24 at the start of his sixth year of college.
Joe was 2 recruiting classes before Hooker, and has been in the league for 3 years already.
Not the same.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:17 pm to saintsfan22
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It's based on being 25, injured, and he's likely to have to "redshirt" until he's 26.
I understand this being a consideration, and it's not nothing. But, if he starts for the Saints at 26, and is good, then so what? I realize there isn't a precedent set for this but the closest I can think of is Kurt Warner for the Rams. His first start came at 28 and dude still made HOF. Not comparing the two, but I don't see why drafting a 25 yr old vs drafting a 22/23 year old in the first round is much different if they are both great or both suck.
Now, if the Saints have, say, a 4th round grade on him and someone takes him in the 3rd, then so be it. But I don't see a downside to taking a flyer on him at 29, unless there is a better QB prospect to do so at that point.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:05 pm to msstate7
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Saints have met 'extensively' with Tennessee QB prospect Hendon Hooker
Of course they did. Just a few more nails before they can shut the coffin for good
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:24 pm to VictoryHill
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Burrow was 22 when he began his Senior season and didn't turn 23 until after the SEC Championship. Hooker was 24 at the start of his sixth year of college. Joe was 2 recruiting classes before Hooker, and has been in the league for 3 years already. Not the same.
Sitting hairs there, man. But truly my argument has simply been a 25 year old QB is not tool old to draft strictly based on age. If you think he’s your QB you take him. If he plays through 3 contracts with you he’s in his late 30s, which many QBs do.
Now if you don’t like him as a prospect that’s one thing. But IMO age shouldn’t come in to play, nor do I think it does in most front offices. Unless of course you have equal grades on two guys, then yes, I guess you can use age as the tiebreaker.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:09 pm to SaintEB
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Not comparing the two, but I don't see why drafting a 25 yr old vs drafting a 22/23 year old in the first round is much different if they are both great or both suck.
Because the 25 year old in this situation didn't really do anything in college until he was 23, which is when most prospects are already in the league and have been for a few seasons. Hooker was a 24 year old 6th year Senior who played in an offense that didn't require pro-level processing or reads. He's not going to be able to step in and start and his window to develop is already super limited because he's over-aged.
It's why draftable players are referred to as prospects. It's not what they are, but what they can be. Hooker is not a needle-mover.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:10 pm to VictoryHill
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Burrow was 22 when he began his Senior season and didn't turn 23 until after the SEC Championship. Hooker was 24 at the start of his sixth year of college.
Well, Burrow was 24 his rookie year. Will be 27 next year.
Hooker will be a 25 year old rookie.
One year difference.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:14 pm to LSUChamps03
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Sitting hairs there, man.
Not at all. You said he was carving defenses up as a 23 year old when the reality of the situation is he was 22 years old for 99% of the 2019 season and honestly started to break out at the end of the 2018 season at 21 when he threw for 1100 yards and 10 TD over the final 4 games while running for another 150 and 3 TD. This is normal for a college prospect.
What is not normal is for a player to break out at 23 years old, when many of the pro-level counterparts in his recruiting class had already been in the league 2 years.
It's the age, it's the crappy offense he played in that didn't require progression throws or reads. The upside isn't there for him as a prospect.
JMO, but we'll see.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:21 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Johnny Manziel lit up Bama.
Yeah, and he was a first round pick.
And was on drugs and actually played decently in the NFL.
He wouldve been fine if he took the sport seriously.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:22 pm to paulbeasy
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Well, Burrow was 24 his rookie year.
Burrow was drafted as a 23 year old and was 23 for every game he played as a rookie.
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Will be 27 next year. Hooker will be a 25 year old rookie. One year difference.
Burrow will be 27 at the end of his 4th year as a pro. Hendon Hooker probably won't take his first pro snap until he's 26.5 in September of 2024 somewhere, hopefully not here. If you can't acknowledge the difference in those situations, LOL.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:31 pm to LSUChamps03
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In TN for 2 seasons he put up:
*56 TDs
*5 INTS
*70% COMP PCT
*6,000 passing yards
*10 yds/comp
*185 pass rtg
*270 rushes for 1,050 yds and 10 YDS
So why isn’t he going to be the first overall pick? Very impressive numbers. Tua went 1.5 with a blown up hip and there was concern he’d never be the same. An ACL should not tank Hooker’s draft stock
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:31 pm to VictoryHill
And what are you basing that "probably won't take his first snap... sept 2024" on? There were 9 qbs taken in the nfl draft last year, and only 2 didn't start a game last year - Matt corral and Chris oladokun; corral was out all season bc of preseason injury
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:34 pm to VictoryHill
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Hooker was a 24 year old 6th year Senior who played in an offense that didn't require pro-level processing or reads.
Man. This is poo. So many college qbs come from systems that didn't make them do "pro-level" reads. Come on..you know this. But you did admit that he played well for two years. So, not a 1 year wonder. He's worth a flyer at 29 or 40. What do we have to lose?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:36 pm to msstate7
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And what are you basing that "probably won't take his first snap... sept 2024"?
Because Hooker is not a plug-and-play pro-ready prospect. His offense required very little decision making, progressions, and reads from him. There will be a very steep learning curve.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:38 pm to VictoryHill
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I can't wait to dunk on the Grandpa Hooker fans here. Absolutely cannot wait for such an obvious crash and burn prospect.
Leaving it at this and bookmarking the thread.
Don't get mad when this floats to the top again in 2 years and I've got receipts.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:40 pm to VictoryHill
Maybe, but 7 out of the 8 healthy rookie qbs in the regular season started a game last year. I would imagine there were some lesser talent qbs than hooker in that group
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:41 pm to VictoryHill
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Leaving it at this and bookmarking the thread.
Don't get mad when this floats to the top again in 2 years and I've got receipts
I know you think you just had a "gotcha" moment, but no one in the thread said he would be great in the NFL. Just that it may be worth a look at #29. You have no receipts from this thread.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 9:47 pm to SaintEB
Saying a qb prospect is gonna fail in the nfl is hardly a groundbreaking take... they almost all fail
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