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re: Report: Saints don't expect Marshon Lattimore, multiple WR's to play vs. Cardinals
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:28 pm to Weekend Warrior79
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:28 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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All reports out there say he went and got 1 second opinion. Also, are you questioning why a player would want a 2nd medical opinion over the same medical staff that said Winston was good to play through 4 fractured vertebrae and travel w the team to London? Is it the same medical staff that gave him the green light to try to play through the injury in 2020? Is it possible he lost faith in them there and decided to seek the 2nd opinion?
I’m not questioning anything. I’m flat out stating that he fricked around with rehab rather than having surgery for an injury sustained during the 2020 season. fricking around with the rehab then led to him having the surgery 8 months later than he should have, in June of 2021, and missing the entire season.
The dude fleeced the organization for the entire 2021 season, and it’s happening again.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 11:34 pm
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:34 pm to RB10
Changing your argument when you're proven wrong: an RB10 story
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:41 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Changing your argument when you're proven wrong: an RB10 story
I literally reposted the exact same sentiment.
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He cost himself the entire 2021 season by fricking around with his ankle rehab.
^^^
From page 2.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 10/18/22 at 6:12 am to hellsu
Hard to fairly evaluate Dalton if he doesn't have anyone to throw it to.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:11 am to LSUneaux
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More like accusations, but he’s been smiling for two straight weeks. So I guess the media was wrong.
Could be interesting to see if that ends up being the same with MT. After the Falcons game, it did appear to be the case. Then he had the turf toe injury
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:13 am to whatiknowsofar
whatiknowsofar : "I AM NOT OBSESSED WITH DEFENDING WINSTON!!!!!!"
Also whatiknowsofar: : "Here are 50 more posts of me defending Winston!!!!"
Also whatiknowsofar: : "Here are 50 more posts of me defending Winston!!!!"
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:21 am to RB10
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fricking around with the rehab then led to him having the surgery 8 months later than he should have, in June of 2021, and missing the entire season.
This is just pulling information out of your arse. Why would he have surgery in October 2020 when he was still playing? He came back in Nov, played in Dec, and the playoffs in January; after being cleared to play by the team doctors. I believe the surgery was going to be late Jan, early Feb; but he decided to go w/ a 2nd opinion. He should have communicated with the team about his rehab status, but that would have made his surgery in April/May.
But, let's go with the Jan/Feb time frame. He has surgery, rehabs for 5 months and is ready for TC. If you recall, he was practicing for a few weeks in November before he had the set back during a practice while still not going full speed. Discussion was the original surgery did fully fix the injury, or did not take; which then required a 2nd surgery. Are we supposed to assume this would be different if he returned during TC in July? After he had the set-back, he was out for approximately 9 months. Again, if he follows suit, he would be back in April 2022.
It would appear he was destined to miss the entire 2021 season with that injury. Did him playing through cause the injury to be drastically worse? He was cleared by the Saints medical staff to practice/play and did not seek a 2nd opinion then. Injury gets worse, why wouldn't he seek a 2nd opinion then?
Only difference would have been what shape would he have been to start the 2022 season when he had the turf toe set back missing the last 3 1/2 weeks and counting
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:34 am to Weekend Warrior79
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This is just pulling information out of your arse. Why would he have surgery in October 2020 when he was still playing? He came back in Nov, played in Dec, and the playoffs in January; after being cleared to play by the team doctors. I believe the surgery was going to be late Jan, early Feb; but he decided to go w/ a 2nd opinion. He should have communicated with the team about his rehab status, but that would have made his surgery in April/May.
Yes it would 6 months rather than 8, you’re correct. My mistake.
Why in the world would he wait until March or April to have the surgery? It doesn’t take months to get a 2nd opinion. Marquise Brown just got a 2nd opinion on his foot in about 2 days.
He chose to forgo the surgery and rehab it instead. He showed up to the saints facility in June, after ignoring their attempts to reach him, and was told he needed surgery, for the 2nd time because his ankle was still a mess.
He had the surgery he was told he needed in January, in June. He had every opportunity in the world to be ready for the 2021 season. His decisions kept him out that season, no one else is to blame.
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If you recall, he was practicing for a few weeks in November before he had the set back during a practice while still not going full speed. Discussion was the original surgery did fully fix the injury, or did not take; which then required a 2nd surgery.
Have the surgery in February, like he should have, and he has 6-7 months to rehab before the season starts. Doubtful he’d have been a full go in training camp, and could have possibly missed a couple of the early games even, but he has a very good chance to be back in September.
Again, he missed the season because of his decision to ignore the team and not have surgery when he should have.
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It would appear he was destined to miss the entire 2021 season with that injury.
bullshite. The only reason he missed the entire season is because he chose not to have surgery when he was told he needed it.
If you want to keep defending the guy, go ahead. He’s a great receiver, when he’s on the field. Unfortunately, he’s not on the field and hasn’t been for the better part of a season and a half now, due to his own poor choices.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 9:48 am
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:49 am to RB10
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It doesn’t take months to get a 2nd opinion
He had the 2nd opinion back in January and they gave him the rehab route. He was supposed to go through the rehab in an effort to avoid surgery. He was also supposed to keep the team informed and by April/May would have known the rehab was not working and surgery should have happened then
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Again, he missed the season because of his decision to ignore the team and not have surgery when he should have.
We are going to disagree on this part. He had a 2nd surgery in November 2021 to either fix what they didn't fix in June, or reperform the original procedure. If it failed in November, why would it hold up in July with the same amount of rest/rehab if he has the surgery back in January? He was rushed back once again by the Saints' medical team. This 2nd surgery is why he missed the 2nd half of the 2021 season. And, if he has this set-back in July 2021 he's still out another 8-9 months after the 2nd surgery.
As much as he fricked this up, the medical staff has some fault here too.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:57 am to Weekend Warrior79
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He had the 2nd opinion back in January and they gave him the rehab route. He was supposed to go through the rehab in an effort to avoid surgery. He was also supposed to keep the team informed and by April/May would have known the rehab was not working and surgery should have happened then
This is exactly my point. He chose to forgo surgery in February for rehab, going against the advice of the team doctors. I understand that he was leaning on the opinion that he could rehab it without surgery, but it was the wrong choice.
Also, him blowing off the staff while he was rehabbing is a huge issue. He chose to ignore their advice so he should have been in constant contact with them about his rehab. Another choice he made that exacerbated the problem.
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We are going to disagree on this part. He had a 2nd surgery in November 2021 to either fix what they didn't fix in June, or reperform the original procedure. If it failed in November, why would it hold up in July with the same amount of rest/rehab if he has the surgery back in January? He was rushed back once again by the Saints' medical team. This 2nd surgery is why he missed the 2nd half of the 2021 season. And, if he has this set-back in July 2021 he's still out another 8-9 months after the 2nd surgery.
We can agree to disagree here, but if he was trying to get back on the field in 2021 then a February surgery is a much better timeline than a June surgery.
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As much as he fricked this up, the medical staff has some fault here too.
I’m going to have to disagree here. I don’t blame the medical staff for the player choosing to ignore their advice.
My guess is, after the June surgery everyone pressed to get him back on the field, causing the setback and 2nd surgery. Had he done the surgery in February, there would have been a more structured rehab process that didn’t try to shorten the timeline for return.
I could be wrong, but that’s my opinion.
ETA: I get frustrated with him, but I don’t honestly think he’s actively avoiding playing. He did play through that ankle injury in 2020.
I just think he’s made some “business decisions” with regards to his health since then that have been wrong, and have hurt the chances of him playing.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:40 am to oogabooga68
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Also whatiknowsofar: : "Here are 50 more posts of me defending Winston!!!!"
I deftly swatted you and other posters into oblivion yesterday. It was easy.
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