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re: reggie bush is not a bust.

Posted on 10/7/08 at 6:15 pm to
Posted by el tigre
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Posted on 10/7/08 at 6:15 pm to
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he ran the ball at USC for 8 something a carry, but they still threw too him a lot.


not compared to the NFL. He was a great college system runner, but a below average NFL system runner. therefore, he ran the ball much more in college compared to catching the ball than the does in the NFL.

In college:
528 touches on offense, 95 catches for 18%.

NFL:
575 touches, 199 catches for 35%.

this has no bearing on if he is a bust, but it just shows he was more relied upon as a runner in college than in the NFL.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 4:13 am to
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for all intents and purposes, reggie is a RB

tell me how he's not a RB

he lines up as a RB

he runs the ball more than any non-RB in the NFL

he runs passing routes of a RB


And as a result, we're supposed to judge him ONLY on his RB abilities.

I'm not nearly on the Reggie bandwagon yet, but why in the world would you discount what he does in the passing game and special teams.

You can't deny 3 special team TDs, leading the NFL in catches, yards from scrimmage, and tied for 1st in total TDs.
Posted by el tigre
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 10:40 am to
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You can't deny 3 special team TDs, leading the NFL in catches, yards from scrimmage, and tied for 1st in total TDs.



huh??? Bush is not in the top 5 in yards from scrimmage despite catching tons of short dink and dump passes.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 11:24 am to
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And as a result, we're supposed to judge him ONLY on his RB abilities.

i'll ask you

if reggie could run for 4.5 ypc, would we use him in the passing game as much as we do now, or would he get more carries?
Posted by redfish99
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 12:16 pm to
Bush has created a new position in the league,kind of like Marshall Faulk did a few years back.He is great in Paytons scheme and to this point very durable.With the amount of touches he gets at his size he's pretty tough to have played in the amount of games he has without getting injured.I think he's a great asset to the organization.
Posted by staugslugga
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 12:20 pm to
what running back does anyone have that can get 4.5 ypc with our oline? or with the game plans that teams put in against us.

hell we put a game plan together to hold one of the best to one yard a carry..

Posted by araby
Lake Forest, IL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 12:26 pm to
Why is this even being debated. Reggie has his faults, but would anyone on here rather not have him? The guy makes some Matrix moves...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 12:33 pm to
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Bush has created a new position in the league,kind of like Marshall Faulk did a few years back.

marshall faulk was a RB

there is nothing new about a RB being able to be a receiving threat, at least not since the west coast offense

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 12:34 pm to
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Reggie has his faults, but would anyone on here rather not have him?

is this reggie v nothing? if so, i'd pick reggie

or do we get to compare what we could theoretically exchange him for?
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Why is this even being debated. Reggie has his faults, but would anyone on here rather not have him? The guy makes some Matrix moves...



+1 the guy is one of the MVPs on our team, and its gonna be that way for a while most likely. why bitch about it all the time? he is explosive and he scores tds, especially when we need them. If Drew Brees had scored 32 tds rushing the football from the qb position last season, i wouldn't be whining on the board about how he is "disappointing" cause he is not a traditional qb.

i don't care how reggie produces, just that he does (and he has this season).
This post was edited on 10/8/08 at 1:54 pm
Posted by el tigre
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 4:58 pm to
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If Drew Brees had scored 32 tds rushing the football from the qb position last season, i wouldn't be whining on the board about how he is "disappointing" cause he is not a traditional qb.


b/c Bush puts up those kinds of numbers? If Bush scored HUGE amounts of TD's every year and put up great numbers i wouldn't care if he stuck the ball up his arse, farted it out 40 yards downfield, and caught it himself....but he doesn't put up amazing numbers. Yes, he makes some amazing plays, both good and bad.
Posted by 19thHole
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 5:04 pm to
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i wouldn't care if he stuck the ball up his arse, farted it out 40 yards downfield, and caught it himself....


clearly if he had this in his bag of tricks, he would not be a bust
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
13154 posts
Posted on 10/8/08 at 5:25 pm to
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but he doesn't put up amazing numbers.


through five games this season, reggie has six all purpose touchdowns. i understand its a little inflated because of his two returns in a game-but he is on pace for 12-15 tds this year.

Adrian Peterson, the non bust of all non-busts, got 13 tds last year.

Adrian's a better runner but as long as bush produces(he is right now), i don't care how he does it.
Posted by Alleyezon3
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 6:49 pm to
Once again I have to come on here and give a big to th Reggie Haters. Do you think any one would average4.6 ypc behind our offensive line. Our line is terrible. The defense is in the backfield 90 % of the time I see reggie get the handoff. What the frick do you want him to do? Run through 300lb+ men. All you people that hate on our best playmaker, pretty much show that you know nothing about football. Its pretty much why we passed a shitload Monday night.
This post was edited on 10/8/08 at 6:50 pm
Posted by tigers
Monroe
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 7:26 pm to
Actually, that puts him on pace for 19 TD's.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/8/08 at 7:36 pm to
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marshall faulk was a RB




A real good RB, loved watching him play.

Posted by Achee
Team Hawthorne
Member since Sep 2006
1892 posts
Posted on 10/8/08 at 9:12 pm to
Everyone knew we were drafting a "scat" type back.And those that thought 30 carries 145 yrds per game were grasping,He is the MOST EXPLOSIVE player in the NFL in his third year.He is the fricking MAN!!!!!!!!
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 10/9/08 at 2:26 am to
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huh??? Bush is not in the top 5 in yards from scrimmage despite catching tons of short dink and dump passes.


Sorry, I meant all-purpose yards, but I think Sproles may have him beat after this week, but Sproles returns kicks and Reggie doesn't, big difference.

Bush is very high up on the list on yards from scrimmage however.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 10/9/08 at 2:32 am to
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And as a result, we're supposed to judge him ONLY on his RB abilities.

i'll ask you

if reggie could run for 4.5 ypc, would we use him in the passing game as much as we do now, or would he get more carries?


A better question would be, all else being equal would you prefer a RB who:

Rushes 20 times for 90 yards with no 2 catches for 9 yards.

or

rushes 13 times for 43 yards, and grab 8 catches for 64 tards.

You're saying you'd take the 1st option, when in reality the 2nd option is better, all else being equal.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/9/08 at 8:08 am to
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but Sproles returns kicks and Reggie doesn't, big difference.

that's why all purpose yards = stupid

good returns involve good ability, but a LOT of luck, and kickoff returns skew the frick out of your stats
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