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re: RBs in this draft to replace Kamara.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 5:26 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/11/20 at 5:26 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Maybe. Maybe not. He has a ton of wear on his tires. He’s likely a top 75 pick but he may slip
Taylor won’t be available in 3rd. He’s RB1 or RB2
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 8:22 pm to Mpd31
Just a guess but if AK keeps it at 10 mil or less he might stay a Saint.
Posted on 4/11/20 at 8:29 pm to Solo Cam
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Maybe. Maybe not. He has a ton of wear on his tires. He’s likely a top 75 pick but he may slip
Zero Chance he’s there bro
Posted on 4/12/20 at 6:09 am to Suntiger
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I don’t know why people think this is Madden where players are always so replaceable.
because in THIS offseason, the kings of the RB castle from 2 years ago were both discarded while still being owed big money and with major dead cap hits from their respective transactions. you cannot ignore the bad history of giving RBs big 2nd contracts the past few years
Gurley, Johnson, Bell alone should scare you.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 6:16 am to goatmilker
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Just a guess but if AK keeps it at 10 mil or less he might stay a Saint.
i agree with this but i just don't see it
and players who feel disrespected don't usually play hard during the negotiating process and often end up hurting themselves in FA
hell, we literally JUST had one of our RBs lose money last offseason with Ingram
Posted on 4/12/20 at 7:58 am to Suntiger
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If Kamara refuses to sign, so be it. Unless you are going for Swift or Taylor, the 2021 draft is likely the better overall running back draft anyway.
Pooka would be very interesting
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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because in THIS offseason, the kings of the RB castle from 2 years ago were both discarded while still being owed big money and with major dead cap hits from their respective transactions. you cannot ignore the bad history of giving RBs big 2nd contracts the past few years
Gurley, Johnson, Bell alone should scare you.
Agree and disagree. Hightower, Robinson and Spiller didn’t get it done, especially to the extent Kamara has.
I agree that RBs have short shelf lives. Gurley had an injury history from college and a ton of miles. That’s not the case with Kamara. Bell is in his 7th year (6 if you don’t count his holdout) and is still good. His issue is more attitude/mental IMO. Besides, those guys are 20-25 carry running backs. Kamara isn’t (or shouldn’t) be used that way as he shared/s time with Ingram & Murray. Hence a longer shelf life.
I think you pay Kamara this year knowing it will likely be his last contract as a Saint. If he wants 20M, let him walk, but if it’s reasonable, sign him.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:52 am to Suntiger
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Agree and disagree. Hightower, Robinson and Spiller didn’t get it done, especially to the extent Kamara has.
I remember Robinson being pretty solid one year and was beast during one of our postseason runs. Then Payton kind of stopped using him for some reason then he got hurt. Spiller was always hurt.
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Kamara isn’t (or shouldn’t) be used that way as he shared/s time with Ingram & Murray. Hence a longer shelf life
This is a double edged sword here. Do you want to pay someone top dollar that will be in a time share? I know you will argue yes but I don’t know.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Should we list the RBs who were fine on their 2nd deals? Bc one team handed out bad deals to a guy doesn’t reflect the belief of the saints.
Leveon Bell has the most touches in the NFL since he entered the league. Had 750 touches in college
David Johnson averaged 341 touches the two seasons he was actually healthy. Had 1k touches in college
Gurley had 1229 NFL touches before breaking down. He was rode hard from jump street after a knee history at UGA.
Large volume obviously ups the risk of injury and shortens the shelf life of these guys.
The saints have done nothing to suggest that they are going to suddenly give Kamara 350 touches per nor that they will go huge money on a RB. Kamara himself will decide if he’s gonna be here or not i reckon.
Leveon Bell has the most touches in the NFL since he entered the league. Had 750 touches in college
David Johnson averaged 341 touches the two seasons he was actually healthy. Had 1k touches in college
Gurley had 1229 NFL touches before breaking down. He was rode hard from jump street after a knee history at UGA.
Large volume obviously ups the risk of injury and shortens the shelf life of these guys.
The saints have done nothing to suggest that they are going to suddenly give Kamara 350 touches per nor that they will go huge money on a RB. Kamara himself will decide if he’s gonna be here or not i reckon.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 12:43 pm to GynoSandberg
the question is if he wants to be paid like guys who can (could?) get 350 touches
if he's OK with $8M or so per, fine. I bet he demands double that, though. that's the problem
another issue is that b/c of his inability to be that guy, we have to pay another back. our total RB salary can only be so much
if he's OK with $8M or so per, fine. I bet he demands double that, though. that's the problem
another issue is that b/c of his inability to be that guy, we have to pay another back. our total RB salary can only be so much
Posted on 4/12/20 at 2:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think people are overshooting his would be contract demands. Austin Ekeler is the comparable deal to work off of. 4/$24.5 with 15 mil guaranteed. Even if Kamara ticked up a bit off that deal, it’d be good value for us.
There should be motivation from both sides to get an extension done this offseason. For the saints, negotiating off a down year. For Kamara, you can either risk betting on yourself heading into FA (coming off injury) or take what should be a decent deal for your 2nd contract
Has no grounds to demand $16 mil per year, which would make him the highest paid RB based on per year numbers. He’d have to come out and have a 2018 season and then head into FA
There should be motivation from both sides to get an extension done this offseason. For the saints, negotiating off a down year. For Kamara, you can either risk betting on yourself heading into FA (coming off injury) or take what should be a decent deal for your 2nd contract
Has no grounds to demand $16 mil per year, which would make him the highest paid RB based on per year numbers. He’d have to come out and have a 2018 season and then head into FA
Posted on 4/12/20 at 2:41 pm to GynoSandberg
If you think that Kamara is signing a contract around 6 To 7 million a year then you are clueless
Posted on 4/12/20 at 2:43 pm to GynoSandberg
I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility our third round pick is a RB and then we use our fourth rounder on someone like K.J. Hill or James Proche for WR
Posted on 4/12/20 at 4:06 pm to Mpd31
you may be having trouble with reading comprehension. If I thought Kamara was worth 6 or 7 mil a year I would’ve said as such. I said Ekeler’s deal is one to work off. Not Zeke or Lev Bell or David Johnson who are all making $13+ mil a year
And you are calling someone clueless after you suggested signing theo riddick and chris thompson as possible replacements for Kamara
And you are calling someone clueless after you suggested signing theo riddick and chris thompson as possible replacements for Kamara
Posted on 4/12/20 at 4:18 pm to WicKed WayZ
The draft will tell a lot about AK’s future.
A guy like Antonio Gibson has some strong AK vibe to his game
A guy like Antonio Gibson has some strong AK vibe to his game
Posted on 4/12/20 at 4:18 pm to GynoSandberg
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Austin Ekeler is the comparable deal to work off of. 4/$24.5 with 15 mil guaranteed. Even if Kamara ticked up a bit off that deal, it’d be good value for us.
Don’t know if you know what the word comparative means. Then you posted ticked up a bit. So what is ticked up a bit? Like 8 million a year bc he isn’t going to answer the phone for that.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 4:24 pm to GynoSandberg
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And you are calling someone clueless after you suggested signing theo riddick and chris thompson as possible replacements for Kamara
I didn’t say the would be long term replacements lol. But as a temporary solution I do think they would help
Posted on 4/12/20 at 4:51 pm to Mpd31
I’m talking in terms on negotiating an extension this offseason, the Ekeler deal is the starting point in a Kamara negotiation. The two sides work off it.. it’s not going lower. Kamara won’t like it, it will tick higher. I’d venture to guess Kamara lands around $10 mil per with at least $20 mil in guarantees in a contract extension with us
There’s a variety of outcomes if Kamara were to hit the open market as a FA. A poor 2020 season kills his value after a so so injured ‘19. Or a rebound gets him paid handsomely.
There’s a variety of outcomes if Kamara were to hit the open market as a FA. A poor 2020 season kills his value after a so so injured ‘19. Or a rebound gets him paid handsomely.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 4:55 pm to GynoSandberg
Yeah I’m kind of done talking about it. I hope you are right.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:34 am to GynoSandberg
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. I said Ekeler’s deal is one to work off. Not Zeke or Lev Bell or David Johnson who are all making $13+ mil a year
i cannot imagine a world where AK starts negotiations below 12-13M/per
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 8:46 am
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