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re: RBs in this draft to replace Kamara.

Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:00 pm to
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Go back to bed


Because I don’t buy your stupid hyperbole that Kamara is “by far” the best running back in the league? That’s just a ridiculous statement in a league with Saquon, CMac, Zeke, etc.

One can believe that Kamara is a top back and perfect fit without being a ridiculous homer about it.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:12 pm to
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So who are those guys? Cause my point was just Thompson or Riddick wasn't good enough to replace Kamara.


Latavius Murray - Early down back
Riddick or Thompson - 3rd down back
3rd back through FA, Day 3 draft, or UDFA

3rd back options
Dwayne Washington, Spencer Ware
I like the Deejay Dallas kid out of Miami

Running back is such an easy position to fill. You don’t have to have an elite running back to get solid production there.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:37 pm to
I don't see any combo of those 4 active guys(Riddick, Thompson, Ware, Washington) successfully replacing Kamara so we'd better nail that draft pick/UDFA.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted by fightingtigers98
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 1:47 pm to
These are probably all the same people who said the saints should let mike Thomas walk last off-season.
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 11:22 pm
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 2:01 pm to
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I don't see any combo of those 4 active guys(Riddick, Thompson, Ware, Washington) successfully replacing Kamara so we'd better nail that draft pick/UDFA.


They can easily replace what he did last year and we were 13-3. I think Murray can do a lot with 15-20 touches a game. However it doesn’t matter. We don’t need to nail a pick to replace Kamara bc it isn’t an important position to replace. You can find productive running backs everywhere. As long as we have one back that can catch passes and another that can run between the tackles we are fine. A third is just to reduce wear and burn out the clock in blowouts or for injury depth. If you have someone that can do more and work in the committee then great less wear on the other guys. Oh by the way, Murray can catch too.

I get that you want to resign Kamara but at what expense? Do we let Ram go so we can sign him bc if so kamara ain’t going to do diddly poo with out an offensive line.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 2:31 pm to
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They can easily replace what he did last year

I don't think so, not those 4. Adding up all four's production didn't, you can throw in Riddick's 2018 and it doesn't change that.
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We don’t need to nail a pick to replace Kamara bc it isn’t an important position to replace.

With Drew slowing down I don't think we're in the position of piecemealing it behind Murray.
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I get that you want to resign Kamara but at what expense?

I never said anything about resigning him.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 2:32 pm to
If Kamara refuses to sign, so be it. Unless you are going for Swift or Taylor, the 2021 draft is likely the better overall running back draft anyway.

Travis Etienne
Chuba Hubbard
Najee Harris
Kylin Hill
Pooka Williams
C.J. Verdell
Keaontay Ingram
Jatarvious Whitlow
Master Teague
Kennedy Brooks
Trey Ragas
Jermar Jefferson
Zamir White
Kennedy Brooks
Anthony McFarland
Malik Davis
Posted by Mpd31
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 2:53 pm to
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I don't think so, not those 4. Adding up all four's production didn't, you can throw in Riddick's 2018 and it doesn't change that.



All of those guys were lightly used last year or injured but have showed they can play in previous years. Would have to work them out and evaluate but there is always portions at running back. Secondly, few teams have the caliber of offensive line and overall offense that the saints have. I don’t think it takes a special running back to run behind our guys.

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With Drew slowing down I don't think we're in the position of piecemealing it behind Murray.


Understandable I just don’t believe it would be detrimental to our offense with the addition of Emmanuel Sanders in the passing game. Successful passing game will help open up the run especially since they have more weapons to account for. Plus we will run Taysum a little bit too.

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I never said anything about resigning him.


I’m assuming you are saying let him walk after this year. I’m good with that. I just don’t want the distraction of him holding out bc he probably will.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 2:56 pm to
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Running back is such an easy position to fill. You don’t have to have an elite running back to get solid production there.



Since Kamara got here in ‘17, he’s accounted for

41% of our rush yards
24% of our TDs
21% of our receptions
17% of our receiving yards

Didn’t get a ton of run early in ‘17, missed 3 games and played ‘19 banged up

You don’t replace that with Theo riddick
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:11 pm to
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All of those guys were lightly used last year

They're all lightly used for a reason. Only one of them is young, the rest are vets in their late 20s. Ware is barely hanging on to the league.
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I’m assuming you are saying let him walk after this year. I’m good with that. I just don’t want the distraction of him holding out bc he probably will.


I'm undecided. I think you could have a Riddick or Thompson as the designated pass catcher but we better have better than Ware/Washington level as the real secondary runner.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:15 pm to
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Since Kamara got here in ‘17, he’s accounted for

41% of our rush yards
24% of our TDs
21% of our receptions
17% of our receiving yards

Didn’t get a ton of run early in ‘17, missed 3 games and played ‘19 banged up

You don’t replace that with Theo riddick


This. This! All of This!!!

I don’t know why people think this is Madden where players are always so replaceable.
Posted by Mook1e
Member since Jun 2018
198 posts
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:19 pm to
Come on guys. This thread is a great example of how clueless this board can be sometimes. You guys always put forward this notion - when it comes time for our key / star players to command the money that they are actually worth, we can just replace them with rookies or mediocre role players! We won’t miss a beat replacing Kamara with Theo Riddick! Do you guys listen to yourselves? Lol

The grass isn’t always greener, guys. There’s a reason Kamara is literally one of the faces of the league. At his best, he is one of the most versatile playmakers in the game. I’d MUCH rather snag a running back to pair with Kamara, and let Murray walk after this year.

I think Kamara signing between 9-13 million a year is perfectly reasonable. Moving into an era without Drew, you have to think holding on to our all pro players is a top priority
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
3029 posts
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:22 pm to
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Since Kamara got here in ‘17, he’s accounted for 41% of our rush yards 24% of our TDs 21% of our receptions 17% of our receiving yards Didn’t get a ton of run early in ‘17, missed 3 games and played ‘19 banged up You don’t replace that with Theo riddick


I’m not denying his talent. Other players will play better in our high powered offenses. I get that it is not going to be to the extent of Kamara bc he is indeed a top 5 running back in the league. However, We can get production elsewhere. My question is:

How long can that continue bc running back doesn’t have a long shelf life? He had injury last year. Let’s hope that was just a one year hinderance.

We are about to have to pay him if we are going to keep him. We have some other players coming up for a contract at more premium position (Ramczyk/Lattimore). Are we really willing to sign him over those players? You can make an argument for Latt but Ram is a must sign. We can’t sign everyone and I don’t think we should be dumping the little cap that we do have into a running back.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:37 pm to
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You don’t replace that with Theo riddick


Exactly. Theo riddick & Chris Thompson are good fantasy football PPR RBs. In real life they are gadget players:

There’s a reason they get so much run & it’s because they play for shite teams
This post was edited on 4/11/20 at 3:42 pm
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
3029 posts
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:37 pm to
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Come on guys. This thread is a great example of how clueless this board can be sometimes. You guys always put forward this notion - when it comes time for our key / star players to command the money that they are actually worth, we can just replace them with rookies or mediocre role players! We won’t miss a beat replacing Kamara with Theo Riddick! Do you guys listen to yourselves? Lol The grass isn’t always greener, guys. There’s a reason Kamara is literally one of the faces of the league. At his best, he is one of the most versatile playmakers in the game. I’d MUCH rather snag a running back to pair with Kamara, and let Murray walk after this year. I think Kamara signing between 9-13 million a year is perfectly reasonable. Moving into an era without Drew, you have to think holding on to our all pro players is a top priority


I didn’t say we wouldn’t miss a beat but I believe we can get enough production. It is not smart to pay premium price for a running back. He is going to want a deal similar to Zeke which will be around 15 million a year plus. This may grow pending what CMC and Derrick Henry sign for. If we could sign him for 10 I would be ok with that as long as we could sign our more crucial pieces. Running back has such a short shelf life that teams get screwed more often than not. It is the sad truth. If we had a fortune in cap space I would say go for it but we are strapped and we will need to make tough decisions as some point. Running back is very easy to replace through various ways. The players I listed were just examples. They may be washed up but they are cheap and you can dump them and find someone else if needed. Kamara deserves his money but I rather someone else pay it. Someone who has the money to spend.
Posted by Mook1e
Member since Jun 2018
198 posts
Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:39 pm to
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We are about to have to pay him if we are going to keep him. We have some other players coming up for a contract at more premium position (Ramczyk/Lattimore). Are we really willing to sign him over those players?


For one, why are we so sure that we HAVE to pick between these three guys? We know what Loomis is capable of. The guys moves money for a living and he’s damn good at it. Besides, what is the market going to look like for Lattimore? Don’t get me wrong, I love his swag and he’s a dawg, but is he even an elite corner? He’s a very good corner, but is he a top 10-15 corner? Certainly debatable. If I had to choose between Kamara and Lattimore, I’m taking Kamara every single time.

Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 3:57 pm to
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. Besides, what is the market going to look like for Lattimore? Don’t get me wrong, I love his swag and he’s a dawg, but is he even an elite corner? He’s a very good corner, but is he a top 10-15 corner? Certainly debatable.

Markets probably pretty good. He's shown as much as Trae Waynes, Kendall Fuller, and James Bradberry and they got sizable deals. If you think he's not elite but just a very good corner he's probably starting negotiation somewhere like 40/4 yrs. Latt's still real young too.
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 4:03 pm to
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Markets probably pretty good. He's shown as much as Trae Waynes, Kendall Fuller, and James Bradberry and they got sizable deals. If you think he's not elite but just a very good corner he's probably starting negotiation somewhere like 40/4 yrs. Latt's still real young too.


If he stays consistent and has a really good year or two then it could be more. He has shown games where he can be an elite shut down corner but just hasn’t consistently done so from game to game. Has games where he just lapses and gets beat. Minnesota game was his worst game by far.
Posted by Mook1e
Member since Jun 2018
198 posts
Posted on 4/11/20 at 4:22 pm to
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Markets probably pretty good. He's shown as much as Trae Waynes, Kendall Fuller, and James Bradberry and they got sizable deals. If you think he's not elite but just a very good corner he's probably starting negotiation somewhere like 40/4 yrs. Latt's still real young too.


You are probably right
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 4/11/20 at 4:56 pm to
Zeke has averaged 388 touches a year per 16 games played

CMC has averaged 365 touches the last two seasons since he’s gotten full run in that backfield

Gurley was averaging 348 touches per 16 games the three seasons before his injury last year

Kamara has averaged 259 touches per 16 games played

Those guys got paid bc they are workhorse backs

1. He will not be paid like a Gurley or Elliott
2. He’s not even close to being at the expiration date of an NFL RB
3. They can pay Lattimore Ramcyzk and Kamara

No one wants to pay a ridiculous price for Kamara. I think the saints have shown their approach to the RB position over the years. If Kamara wants ridiculous money then they can explore other avenues. I assume they will be negotiating this offseason to get him a new deal as the team will have leverage
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