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re: Other than passing yards, what make Brees an "Elite QB"

Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:52 am to
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:52 am to

Here are his NFL records, you figure it out:
Single season passing leader – 5,476 yards (2011)
Highest completion percentage, season – 71.2% (2011)
Most Seasons with 5000+ passing yards - 2 (2008 & 2011)
Most completions in a season – 468 (2011)
Most 400+ completion seasons, career – 4 (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011)
Most consecutive 400+ completion seasons, career – 2 (2007-2008; 2010-2011)
Most consecutive 350+ completion seasons, career – 6 (2006-2011)
Most consecutive seasons with 4000+ passing yards – 6 (2006-2011; tied with Peyton Manning)
Most consecutive seasons with 4000+ passing yards and 30+ Touchdowns – 4, 2008-current
Most games with 5+ touchdown passes, career – 7
Most games with 5+ touchdown passes and no interceptions, career – 5
Highest completion percentage, career, for players with 2,500+ attempts - 65.94% (3,613/5,479)
Most seasons with 70% pass completion rate (minimum 100 attempts per season) - 2 (2009 & 2011)
Most games with 30+ completions and 80% pass completion rate, career - 4
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 12
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 10
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 3 (tied with Ben Roethlisberger and Brett Favre)
Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 10 (2011)
Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 33
Most games, 250+ yards passing, season - 16 (2011)
Most 300+ yard passing games in a season – 13 (2011)
Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games – 9 (2011 – present)
Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games (regular season and postseason combined)– 11 (2011 – present)
Most games, 350+ yards passing, career - 29
Most games, 350+ yards passing, season - 8 (2011)
Most TD passes over 70+ yards - 12 (2006-2011) - Tied with Brett Favre
Most consecutive games with 350+ yards passing – 4 (Weeks 3,4,5,6; 2011)
Most passing yards in a season in away games - 2,852 (2011)
Most consecutive 400+ yard passing games - 2 (postseason games 2012) - tied with several other players
Most consecutive games with 450+ yards passing – 2 (postseason games 2012)
Most games with 400 yards passing and no interceptions, career - 6 (4 regular season, 2 postseason)
Most games with 20+ completions, season – 16 (2010 & 2011)
Most consecutive games with at least 20 completions – 39 (2009 – present) [27]
Most games with 30+ completions, season – 9 (2011)
Most games with 30+ completions, career – 29
Most games with 30+ completions and no interceptions, career – 14
Most games with 39+ completions, career – 3 (1 regular season, 2 playoff games)
Most passing completions per game, career – 23.4 comp/game
Most passing attempts per game, career – 35.5 att/game
Most passing attempts per game, postseason- 43.56 att/game
Most passing yards per game, career – 263.7 yards/game
Most passing completions per game, season – 29.25 comp/game (2011)
Most passing completions per game, postseason - 29.1 comp/game
Most passing yards per game, season – 342.25 yards/game (2011)
Highest post-season completion percentage, career – 66.8%
Lowest post-season interception percentage, career – 1.02%
Highest average passing yards per game in postseason- 331.1 (9 games)
Most completions in a Super Bowl – 32 (Super Bowl XLIV; tied with Tom Brady)
Most completions in a playoff game – 40 (at San Francisco, 1/14/2012)
Most pass attempts in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 60 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[28]
Most pass completions in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 39 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[28]
Most passing yards in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 466 (vs. Detroit, 1/7/2012)
Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception during the playoffs – 226 (January 21, 2007 – January 14, 2012)
Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 2+ Touchdown Passes - 7 (2006 – present) (tied with Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana)
Most Playoff Games, 400+ yards passing - 3 (2011-2012)(Consecutive)
Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 450+ yards passing - 2 (2012)
Best Passing Touchdown to Interception ratio in postseason - 5.5-1 (22 TD Passes - 4 interceptions)
Best Completions to Interception ratio in postseason - 65.5-1 (262 Completions - 4 interceptions)
Best Passing Yards to Interception ratio in postseason - 745-1 (2,980 Passing Yards - 4 interceptions)
Best Passing Touchdown per Game Average, Postseason - 2.444 (22 TD Passes/9 postseason games)
Most consecutive postseason games with 30+ pass completions- 4 (2/7/10-present)
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:55 am to
quote:

doubleO7


GDIAF
Posted by doubleO7
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:58 am to
perhaps I should change my thread title- not sure if you read past first page but this thread was intended to be more about where do these huge dollar amounts on these contracts come from and what do agents use to justify them.. it doesn't make real world sense to me.. perhaps I am missing something.. it just seems like a racket agents have created -
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:01 am to
Better thread when it was being discussed at the time.

Not so much when we are 0-3.
Posted by HollierThanThou
Member since Jan 2012
6262 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:03 am to
So you're saying you're thread questioning Brees status as an elite quarterback is actually about NFL salaries???

Backtracking Fail.

quote:

GDIAF
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:04 am to
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not sure if you read past first page but this thread was intended to be more about where do these huge dollar amounts on these contracts come from and what do agents use to justify them.. it doesn't make real world sense to me.. perhaps I am missing something.. it just seems like a racket agents have created


Without drew Brees, we never won a SB, without Drew Brees, we aren't an elite team, without Drew Brees, we don't stand a chance of going back, without Drew Brees the Saints just aren't the Saints. The man deserves his money. We can talk about how he doesn't when his performance starts slipping, but the man, dispite everything happening on and off the field, is still performing extremely well and has earned every dollar he got. As for what do agents use to justify them, did you see the list of records, or his performance since he's been here?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:04 am to
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from the numbers side - brady smokes brees and it's not even close.. which made me wonder -



Oh yeah?

Brees has more wins over the previous 3 seasons than Brady. He has a SB trophy. Brady does not.

I'd be curious to see how Brady would do if HIS HC, his offensive Coordinator, the Assistant HC, and the GM were all suspended.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:07 am to
Joe Montana signed a 3 yr 10 million dollar contract with the Chiefs.

Drew's obviously about half the qb joe is.

Why the frick aren't we paying Drew like 1.5-2 million dollars a year to be our quarterback, anything above is ridiculously overpaid.
Posted by doubleO7
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:07 am to
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Not so much when we are 0-3




just trying to put the pieces together and was hoping someone could enlighten me..

Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:13 am to
Why would you post this? What a joke. Get out of here.
Posted by doubleO7
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:15 am to
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Brees has more wins over the previous 3 seasons than Brady.


ok- again.. i am not saying brees should not be getting paid..

i am asking where the frick these agents come off with these record breaking contract figures year after year.. is it simply a supply and demand thing?

fwiw brady has been in the league longer than brees if i remember correctly..
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 10:16 am
Posted by SaintLSUnAtl
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:15 am to
Make it stop
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:17 am to
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right.. yesterday myself and few friends were talking leaving the game talking about the fact it seems almost inevitable brees is going to get hurt - did the size of his contract make the team have to make cuts that have in the end left him more vulnerable? and if so - why as a GM would you invest so much and not insure your investment was protected?


no, i posted this yesterday:


1. Sean Payton's salary has nothing to do with Drew Brees'. Benson can pay him whatever he wants

2. Drew Brees' salary has little to do with the saints talent on defense. You can blame Smith and Harper for that. We added 2 big free agents this year in Bunkley and Lofton. We obviously decided that they were worth more than an often injured Tracy Porter. We have 8 million in cap space left this year and Porter signed a 1 year $4 million deal.

3. The salary cap is set to increase with the new deal in 2015. Drew's deal adjusts accordingly.

4. meachem and nicks were out the door regardless regardless with what they are asking for. Funny people blame Brees but don't blame Nicks for asking for an insane amount of money for a guard. We were never going to tie up that much money in the guards, especially with Grubbs on the market. We haven't felt the impact of Brees' contract yet, but Loomis made it as pain free as possible

quote:

Other than passing yards, what make Brees an "Elite QB"


idk, super bowl MVP (one of the best performances ever), completion %, high TD/low int rate in the playoffs. Primetime performer, Most wins over the last 3 seasons, etc.



This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 10:23 am
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:18 am to
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i am asking where the frick these agents come off with these record breaking contract figures year after year.. is it simply a supply and demand thing


Every time someone answers this question you just discount their opinion and repost the question. So what exactly are you looking for?
Posted by doubleO7
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:31 am to
it's no secret our defense is a total abortion.. what is being done to protect the investment.. so I get it.. salaries keep going up and when the next top tier QB's contract comes up then he will likely be the highest paid.

I simply looked back at QB ratings/stats over last 5 seasons and simply wondered how they put a $ amount on it..

I'm a huge saints fan but was trying to look at it objectively from a business standpoint..


example:

tom brady signed a 4 year 72 million contract in 2010 - one of the most impressive resumes out there

fast forward 2 years later to 2012 - drew signs a 5 year 100 million contract with an impressive resume - but no where close to brady (yet)



This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 10:40 am
Posted by TigerJeff
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:31 am to
you're dumb
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:34 am to
quote:

it's no secret our defense is a total abortion

Orly?
quote:

salaries keep going up and when the next top tier QB's contract comes up then he will likely be the highest paid.
yep
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:35 am to
quote:

i am asking where the frick these agents come off with these record breaking contract figures year after year.. is it simply a supply and demand thing?
In this particular case, it's a "Look at what Drew has done for this franchise" and "Without him, where would you be?" as well as "Don't pay him and watch your seats start to empty".

It's more than owe Brees X and look at your cap Y. It's also what he brings in indirectly as being a member of the team. Ticket sales. Merchandise sales. Marketing. Concession sales. And, on top of that, he's successful. So, the previous revenue streams get magnified as he helps the team win and gain popularity.

Every team has it's own Jesus. Drew Brees is our Jesus. You give him what he wants and that's that. I hate these retarded contracts like everyone else does. But would you rather not have Drew Brees? Or would you rather have Tracy Porter, Carl Nicks and a non-Brees QB?
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:37 am to
Payton made him
Posted by Sanchito
Member since Apr 2012
995 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 10:41 am to
Why did people jump all over the OP? The man simply stated a question. I'm not a saints fan but see Brees as one of the best in the game. I also understand his hardships but if he truly is the superstar as we perceive him to be shouldn't he have done more this season. Yeah the defense sucks but Brady and Rodgers both were able to overcome their terrible defenses last season. Rodgers also dealt with numerous o line injuries in his Super Bowl run. I still think the saints will be okay and brees is still a stud but I kind of see an Albert pujols situation here.
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