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re: NFL.com's Chad Reuter Mock Draft
Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:23 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:23 pm to BigBrod81
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Derrick Thomas had 27 sacks for Alabama in 1988. I guess his stats didn't mean shite either. I mean he only went on to set the NFL record for sacks in a game with 7 (he should have had 8) & later on was inducted into the Hall of Fame.
And Danielle Hunter had 4.5 sacks in his 3 year LSU career. He has 18.5 in the NFL in 2 years.
Michael Sam and Shane Ray were beasts at Missouri.
What did they do?
College stats don't guarantee NFL production.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 5:24 pm
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:24 pm to NamariTiger
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broke Reggie White's sack record
Barnett also finished one tackle for loss shy of tying Leonard Little's career TFL at Tennessee as well.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:42 pm to rmnldr
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Michael Sam and Shane Ray were beasts at Missouri.
Michael Sam's measurables were complete shite which is why he didn't make it in the NFL.
COMBINE RESULTS
40 YARD DASH: 4.91 SEC
BENCH PRESS: 17 REPS
VERTICAL JUMP: 25.5 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 114.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.80 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.70 SEC
LINK
As far Shane Rey, I don't know what you are talking about. He has done fine & will get his chance now as a starter. His reps were limited as a rookie playing behind two future Hall of Famers in Von Miller & Demarcus Ware but last season he had 10 sacks. He should only build on that even more going forward with Ware being retired.
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MOST-IMPROVED DEFENSIVE PLAYERS BY POSITION LAST SEASON
2. Shane Ray, Denver Broncos
2015 season grade: 45.8
2016 season grade: 77.1
After being selected 23rd overall in the 2015 NFL Draft, Ray joined a defense with expectations of intensifying their already-dominant pass rush. However, he struggled in his rookie season, managing to generate only 25 pressures (4 sacks, 5 QB hits, 16 QB hurries) across 229 pass-rush snaps. Ray was much more efficient this past season, accumulating 45 pressures (10 sacks, 13 QB hits, 22 QB hurries) on 359 pass rush snaps. Among all second-year 3-4 OLBs, Ray’s 11.1 pass-rush productivity ranked first. With a counterpart as game-changing as Von Miller, Broncos fans should feel confident in their pass-rushing duo off the edge going forward.
Pro Football Focus
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College stats don't guarantee NFL production.
No they do not but you also don't throw them out the window & completely ignore them.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:56 pm to BigBrod81
I do 
I don't care about stats at all. I watch game film and look at traits.
I don't care about stats at all. I watch game film and look at traits.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 5:58 pm to rmnldr
Well you are doing it all wrong by completely throwing out a main component of the evaluation process. I hope you didn't have a job as a mechanic or computer tech.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:03 pm to WicKed WayZ
Would fap a lot
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:05 pm to BigBrod81
TJ Watt had 11.5 sacks compared to Myles Garrett's 8.5.
Should Watt go first overall?
He must be better than Myles, right?
Should Watt go first overall?
He must be better than Myles, right?
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:07 pm to rmnldr
Did Watt play this past season with a high ankle sprain too? You don't seem to understand the concept of putting everything in perspective.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:10 pm to BigBrod81
Myles Garrett's best season was 12.5 sacks. One better than TJ Watt.
What does that mean? Are they #1 and #2?
Harold Landry from BC led the country with 16.5 sacks in 2016. Why is he returning for his senior year? Where was the hype for him?
ETA: you can downvote me all you want. Stats don't mean shite.
What does that mean? Are they #1 and #2?
Harold Landry from BC led the country with 16.5 sacks in 2016. Why is he returning for his senior year? Where was the hype for him?
ETA: you can downvote me all you want. Stats don't mean shite.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:22 pm to rmnldr
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Myles Garrett's best season was 12.5 sacks. One better than TJ Watt.
What does that mean? Are they #1 and #2?
Harold Landry from BC led the country with 16.5 sacks in 2016. Why is he returning for his senior year? Where was the hype for him?
You really do struggle with placing information in the proper perspective. Where have I said that stats are the only go to aspect of evaluating players? You seem to be under the impression that's what I meant when it's not. The stats, measurables & tape have to match up. With the crap you are spewing, numerous 1st round picks over the years who are or will be heading to the Hall of Fame should have never been taken in the 1st round because their college stats were meaningless occuring to you. You would have passed on players like Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Steve McNair & Terrell Suggs because their college stats, in your opinion, were meaningless.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:27 pm to rmnldr
Stats do mean shite, but they are just part of the equation.
In the same token measurables also mean shite, but again are just part of the equation.
Tape also means shite, but again is just part of the equation.
You need to evaluate all three and consider competition level as well as if the stats came against good teams/players or were against junk opponents.
But you are being incredibly ridiculous saying stats don't matter, only measurables do and then trying to point to a few cases to make a point.
You realize the same can be done with TONS more combine "stars" that never amount to shite, right?
You need full evaluation. Anything less is insane.
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Completely forgot character. That one is HUGE. In many cases it's more important to know the character over and stats or measurables.
In the same token measurables also mean shite, but again are just part of the equation.
Tape also means shite, but again is just part of the equation.
You need to evaluate all three and consider competition level as well as if the stats came against good teams/players or were against junk opponents.
But you are being incredibly ridiculous saying stats don't matter, only measurables do and then trying to point to a few cases to make a point.
You realize the same can be done with TONS more combine "stars" that never amount to shite, right?
You need full evaluation. Anything less is insane.
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Completely forgot character. That one is HUGE. In many cases it's more important to know the character over and stats or measurables.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:28 pm to BigBrod81
I said I'd rather Taco over Barnett. The discussion has been "but look at Barnett's stats!"
That's what I'm speaking to. And yes, stats are a good way to at least get names to look at but scouting shouldn't ever be based on stats.
Watching players in a game is how scouting is done. I want to know HOW Barnett got that sack. I want to know HOW Favre through that TD pass. Was it a dump off to a RB or was it a precision throw under pressure on a corner route? Did Barnett go unblocked or did he split a double team with brute strength?
I'm not saying you think that stats are the only indicative. What I'm saying is that stats should barely be relied on besides jotting the name down.
I don't even look at measurables. The combine barely means anything to me. All I care about is film.
That's what I'm speaking to. And yes, stats are a good way to at least get names to look at but scouting shouldn't ever be based on stats.
Watching players in a game is how scouting is done. I want to know HOW Barnett got that sack. I want to know HOW Favre through that TD pass. Was it a dump off to a RB or was it a precision throw under pressure on a corner route? Did Barnett go unblocked or did he split a double team with brute strength?
I'm not saying you think that stats are the only indicative. What I'm saying is that stats should barely be relied on besides jotting the name down.
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bonethug0108
I don't even look at measurables. The combine barely means anything to me. All I care about is film.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:31 pm to rmnldr
So you look at film and think Taco is better than Barnett? I don't know what to say.
Other than that I do absolutely agree film is more important than stats and measurables, but those also should not be thrown out. And again character is super important.
You need all of it to get a complete picture. Crazy to ignore any part.
Other than that I do absolutely agree film is more important than stats and measurables, but those also should not be thrown out. And again character is super important.
You need all of it to get a complete picture. Crazy to ignore any part.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:32 pm to rmnldr
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All I care about is film.
Well show us some highlights of both that show Taco blowing Barnett out of the water
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:34 pm to rmnldr
not to sound sexist but the recent revelation that you are a female is making a lot of sense to me
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:37 pm to bonethug0108
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So you look at film and think Taco is better than Barnett? I don't know what to say.
Yeah I don't get that either. You're really drafting Taco based off what he COULD be, essentially another Chandler Jones and that's no guarantee.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:40 pm to goatmilker
I'm not about to do that. 
I just like Taco more.
Here's some notes I scribbled down a few nights ago after watching 2hrs of tape:
Taco:
Inconsistent get off, but very nice when he does
Powerful base in pass rushing
Powerful base in run defense
Never gives up on plays
Budding pass rush moves
Decent football IQ
Not a quick twitch player
Lacks secondary rush moves
Lacks consistent "go-to" move
Pursues the ball carrier often before defeating block
Lacks "polish"
Derek Barnett:
Moves very well for size
Never gives up on plays
Quick and consistent get off
Surprisingly good in coverage
Doesn't diagnose plays well
Gets "caught up" on blockers often
Doesn't consistently use pass rush moves
Needs better conditioning
Doesn't hold up at point of attack
Doesn't shed blocks well
They're similar players but Taco hasn't scratched his potential while I think Barnett is who he is. Barnett seems very similar to Shaq Lawson last year except without a signature pass rush move (Lawson has a killer spin move)
Taco's ceiling is much higher.
I just like Taco more.
Here's some notes I scribbled down a few nights ago after watching 2hrs of tape:
Taco:
Inconsistent get off, but very nice when he does
Powerful base in pass rushing
Powerful base in run defense
Never gives up on plays
Budding pass rush moves
Decent football IQ
Not a quick twitch player
Lacks secondary rush moves
Lacks consistent "go-to" move
Pursues the ball carrier often before defeating block
Lacks "polish"
Derek Barnett:
Moves very well for size
Never gives up on plays
Quick and consistent get off
Surprisingly good in coverage
Doesn't diagnose plays well
Gets "caught up" on blockers often
Doesn't consistently use pass rush moves
Needs better conditioning
Doesn't hold up at point of attack
Doesn't shed blocks well
They're similar players but Taco hasn't scratched his potential while I think Barnett is who he is. Barnett seems very similar to Shaq Lawson last year except without a signature pass rush move (Lawson has a killer spin move)
Taco's ceiling is much higher.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:41 pm to WicKed WayZ
Right. Everything points to Taco having potential to be very good, but watching the tape he hasn't shown he is playing at an elite level. He is a big boom or bust prospect.
Barnett is about the complete opposite. He's consistent and doesn't have a low floor or high ceiling. He'll come in and play the run well and get you 6-10 sacks a year. He won't be dominant but he will be a guy you can depend on every down of every game.
Barnett is about the complete opposite. He's consistent and doesn't have a low floor or high ceiling. He'll come in and play the run well and get you 6-10 sacks a year. He won't be dominant but he will be a guy you can depend on every down of every game.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:44 pm to rmnldr
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Watching players in a game is how scouting is done. I
There's 3 years of tape of Barnett being a dominant force in the SEC. There's one season of Taco at Michigan because he couldn't beat out his own teammates for 3 seasons to be a full time starter. Barnett film crushes Carlton's any way you slice it.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 6:45 pm to bonethug0108
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Right. Everything points to Taco having potential to be very good, but watching the tape he hasn't shown he is playing at an elite level. He is a big boom or bust prospect.
There's not much "bust" to Taco. Even if you get the player he is now, that's not that bad. The player who he is now is not far from what Barnett is.
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Barnett is about the complete opposite. He's consistent and doesn't have a low floor or high ceiling. He'll come in and play the run well and get you 6-10 sacks a year. He won't be dominant but he will be a guy you can depend on every down of every game.
So Andre Branch
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There's 3 years of tape of Barnett being a dominant force in the SEC. There's one season of Taco at Michigan because he couldn't beat out his own teammates for 3 seasons to be a full time starter. Barnett film crushes Carlton's any way you slice it.
Do show me this film of Barnett being dominant.
If you want dominant film go look at Malik McDowell. Oh wait you won't consider him because he doesn't have 13 sacks.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 6:47 pm
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