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Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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yes it is, both are redundant.
A better example might be to say NCAA Association Champs.
Is there a title "Association Champion"? No.
But there is a "Conference Champion." And the Saints are the "Conference Champion." In the NFC.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:11 pm to Carface
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Your explanation helped me to clarify my explanation, so you did a pretty good job yourself!
He was being sarcastic.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:12 pm to jimbeaujr
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That would be Division champs
Correct. Which is why the Saints shirt disambiguates.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:12 pm to efrad
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Technically, so were the Cowboys, Vikings, and Cardinals.
Now that is incorrect. They bwere chapions of their respective divisions, but not the entire conference.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:12 pm to flybynight
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He was being sarcastic.
I don't think he was.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:13 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Now that is incorrect. They bwere chapions of their respective divisions, but not the entire conference.
The truth in the statement depends on how you parse "They're champions of the National Football Conference."
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:15 pm to efrad
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I don't think he was.
lol...well damn efrad.
This post was edited on 1/30/10 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:15 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I guess I'm slow but at first glance I didn't see anything wrong w/ the shirt.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:16 pm to Carface
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It identifies that the Saints (the who) are the conference champions of the NFC (the what) and not the AFC.
Maybe tech. But there is no need for it. There is no other kind of champion of the NFC.
I am in a tediously picky mood tonight.
This post was edited on 1/30/10 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:16 pm to flybynight
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He was being sarcastic.
No I wasn't. I felt like my post was all jumbled and confusing, whereas his was much more clear. We were both saying the same thing, he was just doing a better job at it.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:21 pm to flybynight
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However, if you're going for what the shirt MEANS to say, it's horribly wrong.
I disagree. The statement emphasizes that we won the conference.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:22 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Maybe tech. But there is no need for it. There is no other kind of champion of the NFC.
And that's very true, too. But from a semantics standpoint, you can, however redundant, say that the Saints are the conference champions of the NFC and still be correct.
Oh God... thinking makes the brain hurt.
This post was edited on 1/30/10 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:23 pm to efrad
meh I took it off.
It doesn't get the point across very well does it?
It doesn't get the point across very well does it?
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:30 pm to efrad
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Is there a title "Association Champion"? No.
Yes, In Baseball LSU was the 2009 National Collegiate Athletic Association Champions.
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And the Saints are the "Conference Champion." In the NFC.
This sentence is correct. If you say the Saints are the Conference Champions of the NFC that is different than saying they are the NFC Conference Champions.
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That would be Division champs
Correct. Which is why the Saints shirt disambiguates.
The Cowboys, Vikings and Cardinals are not NFC or even NFC Conference Champs. They are respectively NFC East, North and West Division Champs. In the case of the Saints and Colts, you need the modifier NFC of AFC to distinguish which South Division they are champs of.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Yes, In Baseball LSU was the 2009 National Collegiate Athletic Association Champions.
That doesn't make them "Association Champions" any more than it makes them "Athletic Champions"--as a title, at least.
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This sentence is correct. If you say the Saints are the Conference Champions of the NFC that is different than saying they are the NFC Conference Champions.
No, it's not. Those phrases mean the exact same thing, as long as you understand that the words "NFC" and "Conference" are both separately modifying "Champions" and that "NFC" is NOT modifying "Conference."
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The Cowboys, Vikings and Cardinals are not NFC or even NFC Conference Champs. They are respectively NFC East, North and West Division Champs. In the case of the Saints and Colts, you need the modifier NFC of AFC to distinguish which South Division they are champs of.
The Cardinals are in the NFC, and they were champions, therefore they are technically champions of the NFC, although they are not NFC Conference Champions. In high school, I was the Latin Club President, and I am an American citizen, therefore at one time I was actually a president of America.... one of the many.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:48 pm to efrad
lol...this thread cracks me up.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:49 pm to flybynight
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lol...this thread cracks me up
lol - I limit myself to one meaningless argument per night. I forgot this rule when I posted in this thread.
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:53 pm to efrad
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therefore at one time I was actually a president of America.... one of the many.
Please go back to being prez........
Posted on 1/30/10 at 9:56 pm to Carface
Ken Griffey Jr. Junior says God Bless the USA of America
This post was edited on 1/30/10 at 9:57 pm
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