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re: Next Saints HOFers
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:16 pm to martiallaw
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:16 pm to martiallaw
Lol at thinking Colston sniffs hof. This is for the very best. Great Saint but not even close to hof worthy.
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:22 pm to ghost2most
Should be an inclusion on the NFL Top 10 Underrated show
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:31 pm to Mister Flawless
Not a player but maybe Sean Payton. He's been described as an offensive genius and has coached Drew Brees to multiple 5,000 yard seasons. He can increase his chances if he can continue that success with a different QB once Brees retires and wins another SB (with or without Brees). Not saying it will happen, just can't overlook him.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:04 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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The entire point is that's the precedent the voters established and if they follow this logic for Sharper, then they should just remove current hall of famers based off that bc it's the PRO FOOTBALL Hall of Fame not the SAINTHOOD Hall of Fame. Cmon man.
There is a big difference between some "legal trouble" and being a convicted serial rapist who will be in prison for the next two decades.
There is no contradiction in logic.
The reason for allowing OJ to stay in is that it was done after he was already inducted. If he committed the crime two years after he retired he wouldn't be in the hall.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:29 pm to lsusa
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The reason for allowing OJ to stay in is that it was done after he was already inducted. If he committed the crime two years after he retired he wouldn't be in the hall.
So now you're essentially arguing a bonafide pro football HOFer, that NO ONE would dispute based off on-field attributes, records and accomplishments(OJ "Mr. 2,000" Simpson) would be denied the Hall had he committed the crime within the optimal time period as opposed to post hoc? Now it's no longer the Pro Football Hall of Fame, its the Pro Football SAINTHOOD Hall of Fame bc the voters aren't only judging players by how dominant they were and what they accomplished but also by character, which is INCREDIBLY SUBJECTIVE according to interpretation and not a criterion according to the HOF bylaws. These same voters that voted Sharper 6x among the 4 best safeties in the entire NFL(all-pro team) are now gonna say "we were wrong the entire time and therefore won't translate that football logic to HOF proceedings and thus be logically inconsistent bc we're using off-field shitt to inform us." That's a dangerous precedent to set bc it isn't about the bottom line of football anymore.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 2:37 pm to BigBrod81
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Jahri Evans
When I think Jahri Evans, I don't think all time great. Very good players just not all time great.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:22 pm to 7LSU7
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When I think Jahri Evans, I don't think all time great. Very good players just not all time great.
He was an all pro for several years. I mean he's a longshot but has infinitely more of a chance than Colston.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:33 pm to ThePTExperience1969
There's 0 chance they're going to put a convicted serial rapist in the HoF. Think about the amount of backlash they would receive if they did.
You keep saying that but character is already taken into account for certain players.
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That's a dangerous precedent to set bc it isn't about the bottom line of football anymore.
You keep saying that but character is already taken into account for certain players.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:33 pm to martiallaw
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He will never be considered for the Hall.
Since Ronnie Lott retired in 1995, who've been the best safeties in the NFL?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:36 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Since Ronnie Lott retired in 1995, who've been the best safeties in the NFL?
Ed Reed
Troy Polamalu
Earl Thomas
Those come to mind first.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:42 pm to ghost2most
Atwater
Woodson
Lynch
Polamalu
Reed
Sharper
Possibly Rodney Harrison, an argument can be made
That's out of hundreds upon hundreds of safeties that have dressed for NFL teams in the last 22 years, if the Hall isn't gonna induct the best of the best in football then what's it's purpose? It's consuming space in a remote city in Ohio and Woodson was a 6x all-pro selected by the HOF voters and is sixth all-time in interceptions, that's HOF stuff right there, he helped lead the Saints to their first Super Bowl title.
Woodson
Lynch
Polamalu
Reed
Sharper
Possibly Rodney Harrison, an argument can be made
That's out of hundreds upon hundreds of safeties that have dressed for NFL teams in the last 22 years, if the Hall isn't gonna induct the best of the best in football then what's it's purpose? It's consuming space in a remote city in Ohio and Woodson was a 6x all-pro selected by the HOF voters and is sixth all-time in interceptions, that's HOF stuff right there, he helped lead the Saints to their first Super Bowl title.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:53 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Since Ronnie Lott retired in 1995, who've been the best safeties in the NFL?
This is not a question of talent. He's not getting because he's the worst kind of person. If he had been convicted of some drug charges then he probably would be considered down the road, but something as serious as being a serial rapist can't be overlooked. How do you not understand this?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 4:57 pm to 1BamaRTR
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How do you not understand this?
BC CHARACTER IS NOT A CRITERION IN THE HOF BYLAWS
It's the PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME not the PRO FOOTBALL SAINTHOOD HALL OF FAME
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:00 pm to ThePTExperience1969
He's still never getting in.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:17 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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BC CHARACTER IS NOT A CRITERION IN THE HOF BYLAWS
It is for certain players (only reason the voters don't have TO in yet).
So if it turns out some 3x NFL MVP QB committed a terrorist attack that killed 500 kids would you be fine with him getting in the HOF? I don't believe character should be a requirement but for something as serious as rape or murder it should be heavily considered. As much as you hate it he's not getting nor should he.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 5:27 pm to 1BamaRTR
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So if it turns out some 3x NFL MVP QB committed a terrorist attack that killed 500 kids would you be fine with him getting in the HOF?
Yeah well that hasn't happened (thank God) so I don't have to consider that hyperbole hypothetical you're using to make a point.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 7:29 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Yeah well that hasn't happened (thank God) so I don't have to consider that hyperbole hypothetical you're using to make a point.
Ok, well how about a guy who drugged and raped 16 women. Would you be fine voting him in the Hall of Fame? The same guy who continued to drug and rape women even while he knew he was being investigated.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 7:46 pm to martiallaw
What about people who were accused multiple times of sexual assault and even attempt to commit murder? Bc THOSE PEOPLE WERE INDUCTED DESPITE THAT, how you explain that genius? THE BYLAWS PROHIBIT CHARACTER AS A CRITERION FOR THE HOF, read a hall of fame bylaw for once Mr. SJW.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 8/9/17 at 7:54 pm to martiallaw
The criteria for the PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME is ON THE FIELD EXPLOITS bc it isn't the SAINTHOOD HALL OF FAME. Not apologizing at anytime in my life for being a textualist.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 8:02 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Yeah well that hasn't happened (thank God) so I don't have to consider that hyperbole hypothetical you're using to make a point.
By your logic that terrorist should be in the HOF since according to your words they should only look at on field performance and not character. So you would be fine with a mass murder being in the HOF so long as he was a great player.
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What about people who were accused multiple times of sexual assault and even attempt to commit murder?
There's a difference in being accused and being convicted. There guys weren't convicted. It's pretty pathetic you think a serial rapist should receive any type of award.
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