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re: Most overrated Saint of all time
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:10 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:10 pm to Chad504boy
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he goes on to miami and has an 1800 rushing yard season...
ok?
he has over 500 more carries than Deuce
and only has 2 more career TD's(51 to 49)
a 4.0 YPC compared to Deuce's 4.3
41 fumbles compared to Deuce's 20(or once ever 46 carries compared to once ever 75 carries for Deuce)
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Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:18 pm to Lester Earl
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Ricky Williams?
Ricky Williams didn't make any money the years he sat out/missed. He also was criticized a TON.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:18 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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Most overrated Saint of all time
I would go with Reggie Bush LINK
Reggie is a great athlete, but not a great football player. Sorry, but he's way over-hyped for what he's done in the NFL.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:21 pm to Jason9782003
I think the most overrated Saint is Sean Payton. IF we dont make the playoffs again he should be let go. There are alot of great coaches avialable right now who would love to take this job
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:21 pm to CM84
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The thread title is the most overrated Saint of all time. Ricky Williams great years came as a Dolphin so stop saying he's had a better career than Deuce because he didnt as Saint. And stay consistent what your thread title is argueing AlejandroInHouston.
Fine. My point still stands. Ricky Williams isn't OVERRATED by Saints fans. In fact, he is reviled as if he bombed from the NFL like Todd Marinovich or something. He was a pro-bowl running back, borderline AFC MVP, and is STILL a valuable part of his teams offensive attack.
Deuce McAllister is insanely overrated. The lack of criticism that he's received for all his injuries is an embarrassment, especially when compared to Reggie Bush.
Oh and to clear this up, I obviously meant "overrated by Saints fans". Nobody in the NFL at large thinks Deuce is Black Jesus like Saints fans do.
Most NFL fans didn't even know Deuce McAllister was still in the league these last 2 seasons, mainly because he was getting paid $6MM to stand awkwardly on the sidelines holding his helmet, waiting to get a chance to spell an undrafted FA running back 3 times a game.
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:22 pm to Lester Earl
Ricky is in the league, Deuce is not.
BOOM GOES THE BITCHES.
BOOM GOES THE BITCHES.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:22 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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Ricky Williams didn't make any money the years he sat out/missed.
he didnt get paid in 07 when he missed the season because of an injury? Im sure he did.
and he sat out the whole 2006 season because he failed like 4 drug tests. Thats worse that getting hurt and getting paid because of a contract you signed when you were a pro bowler.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:23 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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The lack of criticism that he's received for all his injuries is an embarrassment
How can you criticize a RB for tearing his ACL?
Also, it wasn't for Deuce we would have lost to Philly in the playoffs and not made it to the NFC CG in 2006.
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:23 pm to alajones
quote:I have to disagree with this. Drew brought the Saints back several times last year only to have the defense give the lead up in the 4th quarter.
You're a dick. I do agree with your Drew Brees assessment though. Drew is great a piling it on when we have a lead. Not so much at bringing us back from behind. Aaron Brooks did a better job at that.
quote:This I agree with completely. Not only was he a half-arse QB he was a jerk.
To answer your question, it has to be Bobby Hebert hands down.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:25 pm to Chad504boy
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Ricky is in the league, Deuce is not.
he'll be on a team
and i criticized Deuce a lot the past 2 years. But he is still the best RB to ever put on the black and gold. There's no arguing that.
Ricky Williams, as a Saint, was a joke compared to Deuce.
If you want to compare Ricky Williams 2 good seasons as a Dolphin, fine. But dont go comparing them as Saints because its not even fricking close. Take that to the MSB.
In fact I dont even see the point in saying Ricky Williams> Deuce to begin with in this thread.
Nothing said has even backed that up, so he might as well delete it from the orginal post. He hasnt put any factual backup to that claim besides spouting off something he doesnt know.
I fricking hate dumbass new age Saints fans. They have no clue whatsoever.
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:25 pm to Jason9782003
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How can you criticize a RB for tearing his ACL?
You just called Reggie Bush the most overrated Saint of all time a few threads ago, presumably because of his injury.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:27 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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You just called Reggie Bush the most overrated Saint of all time a few threads ago, presumably because of his injury
No, because he fumbles too much, can't run between the tackles, gets tackled in the back field more times than any RB I can remember in Saints history, etc and the fans still cum of themselves whenever you mention his name.
Reggie was built up as the second coming of Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, & Walter Payton combined and he's still hasn't rushed for over 1000 yards in a season. By today's standards 1000 yards rushing is average.
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:35 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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The lack of criticism that he's received for all his injuries is an embarrassment, especially when compared to Reggie Bush.
I don't see why you would want to criticize a guy who had two ACL tears in TWO different knees.That's not his fault. Yea, he made money while he was hurt. So what. After his first one he was never the same break away back, but I'd take Deuce in his prime over Ricky in his prime anyday. The Saints got WAY more production for their money from Deuce in a Saints uniform than Ricky. If Deuce was ever to be called "insanely overrated", it would be last season, and last season only.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:42 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Deuce had the better career as a Saint but I sure in the frick wouldn't say Ricky was a joke.
Ricky Williams, as a Saint, was a joke compared to Deuce.
In Haslett's first year Ricky had rushed for exactly 1000 yds in 10 games until he got hurt. Before that he battled injuries much like Deuce did at the end of his time in N.O.
In his last season with the Saints he was a victim of Haslett's dumbass decision to make Aaron Brooks the starting QB. Haslett went above and beyond to prove he'd made the right choice most visibly by taking the ball out of Ricky's hand in the red zone and putting it in Mr. INT With A Grin's hands. He still managed to rush for 1372 yds even though he was handicapped by Haslett.
And like someone said earlier, all he did after they traded him to Miami was rush for 1800 yds and win a rushing title. Funny how he couldn't break the long run in N.O. but he gets out and tears it up. If I'm not mistaken he had 3 games with over 200 yds. One in the snow in Buffalo.
Of course he did succumb to the mighty powers of the herb and blew his career after that.
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:52 pm to Lester Earl
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he'll be on a team
and i criticized Deuce a lot the past 2 years. But he is still the best RB to ever put on the black and gold. There's no arguing that.
Ricky Williams, as a Saint, was a joke compared to Deuce.
If you want to compare Ricky Williams 2 good seasons as a Dolphin, fine. But dont go comparing them as Saints because its not even fricking close. Take that to the MSB.
In fact I dont even see the point in saying Ricky Williams> Deuce to begin with in this thread.
Nothing said has even backed that up, so he might as well delete it from the orginal post. He hasnt put any factual backup to that claim besides spouting off something he doesnt know.
I fricking hate dumbass new age Saints fans. They have no clue whatsoever.
The teams that Ricky was on was a joke compared to the teams deuce played on.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 2:58 pm to Jason9782003
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gets tackled in the back field more times than any RB I can remember in Saints history
Not many RBs named Barry or Ladanian can do much about guys being in the backfield immediately after the handoff.
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Reggie was built up as the second coming of Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, & Walter Payton combined
Not his fault. It was the media hype. He just cashed in....and last time I checked, was a pretty damn good football player.
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the fans still cum of themselves whenever you mention his name.
I love Reggie. He is second on my list of man crushes....behind Chip Vaughn.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 3:03 pm to Chad504boy
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The teams that Ricky was on was a joke compared to the teams deuce played on.
he played on one bad team.
2000 10-6 first playoff win
and 2001 was on the verge of the playoffs but Haslett fricked that up. Get a clue chadboy
Posted on 6/25/09 at 3:07 pm to Lester Earl
2000, he had 1000 yards in only 10 games. Ricky Williams is God. frick you and frick Deucelymus.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 3:08 pm to Chad504boy
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The teams that Ricky was on was a joke compared to the teams deuce played on.
Got to Miami in 02: Saints Record
2002 9-7 9-7
2003 10- 6 8-8
Retired in 04
2004 4-12 8-8
2005 9-7 3-13
Played in the CFL in 06
2006 6-10 10-6
Came back in part of the year in 07 and got hurt.
2007 1-15 7-9
Full season in 2008
2008 11-5 8-8
I'd say they were comparable.
This post was edited on 6/25/09 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/25/09 at 3:12 pm to Jason9782003
Bush, over less than three full seasons, has half the total number of TDs that Deuce has for his career.
If you won't call Deuce over rated due to injury, then you have to give Reggie the same benefit.
Plus, if you go back and watch the games (esp. in 2006), you'll find that your claims are false, especially when Reggie's healthy.
Now, if (when) Reggie break's Deuce's record in two years, will you still call him over rated?
If you won't call Deuce over rated due to injury, then you have to give Reggie the same benefit.
Plus, if you go back and watch the games (esp. in 2006), you'll find that your claims are false, especially when Reggie's healthy.
Now, if (when) Reggie break's Deuce's record in two years, will you still call him over rated?
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