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Mayock on Saints Needs
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:47 am
nuttin new or earth shattering, adding cuz I do repsect his opinion out of the talking heads out there-
worth a read
pretty clear cut to the armchair GMs here-
1. pass rushing DE difference maker
2. playmaking OLB
3. OL upgrade at OT or C
4. keep backend of D infused with fresh talent to challenge for reps
The one thing Triplett asserts that I disagree with is letting go Smith, Vilma, & Ellis will not provide cap relief to go after anyone with. We've looked at those numbers ad nauseum. Definitely will provide enough to go after one high profile impact UFA like Avril, Michael Johnson, or another name (you insert). Prolly even another FA more midrange cost but with starter potential.
Add a 1st Rder that can start day one (CJ Mosley, John Jenkins, Jonathan banks, etc) and there ya go.
worth a read
pretty clear cut to the armchair GMs here-
1. pass rushing DE difference maker
2. playmaking OLB
3. OL upgrade at OT or C
4. keep backend of D infused with fresh talent to challenge for reps
The one thing Triplett asserts that I disagree with is letting go Smith, Vilma, & Ellis will not provide cap relief to go after anyone with. We've looked at those numbers ad nauseum. Definitely will provide enough to go after one high profile impact UFA like Avril, Michael Johnson, or another name (you insert). Prolly even another FA more midrange cost but with starter potential.
Add a 1st Rder that can start day one (CJ Mosley, John Jenkins, Jonathan banks, etc) and there ya go.
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:50 am to blueslover
The top 3 needs are def the most important. And OT is more important than a C right now. IMO. we get beat on the outside way more than the interior of the line.
Can we sign a RT with that cap room Mr. CapRoomBlues?
Then draft
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The one thing Triplett asserts that I disagree with is letting go Smith, Vilma, & Ellis will not provide cap relief to go after anyone with.
Can we sign a RT with that cap room Mr. CapRoomBlues?
Then draft
quote:
1. pass rushing DE difference maker
2. playmaking OLB
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:51 am to blueslover
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Smith, Vilma, & Ellis
hard to imagine their on field skills can't be upgraded. None of them are anything special anymore. No matter the cap savings. Or even Money extra spent cause its needed at those positions.
Broderick takes Ellis' overpaid and disappearing act and hicks plays along side, add depth behind.
ETA: Glen Dorsey on the cheap.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:55 am to blueslover
I might get burned for this, but Namndy Asjolfjiskdjfskljflsdfj is probably going to be a FA and has already had two huge contracts that he's played out. Possibly could take a 1 or 2 year deal to try and win one.
FWIW, I laughed at people who mentioned him here a few years ago.
FWIW, I laughed at people who mentioned him here a few years ago.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:57 am to blueslover
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Definitely will provide enough to go after one high profile impact UFA like Avril, Michael Johnson, or another name (you insert).
You overlook Brees's base salary going up by $6m, Bunkley $3m (his base salary is guaranteed in 2013, cutting won't help), Lofton with a $5m roster bonus, Hawthorne with a $3m roster bonus (I think he gets cut), and Colston's base going up $3m. I could be missing some others, but that's $12m if we let go of two starting LBs. $17m if we let Hawthorne go and keep Lofton (likely scenario).
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:57 am to blueslover
Had to look up Sed's contract.
From rotoworld
From rotoworld
quote:
Saints DT Sedrick Ellis is not expected back with the team in 2013.Ellis' rookie deal is up after the season, and he's never lived up to expectations inherent for a top-ten draft pick. Ellis was the seventh overall pick in 2008. Billed as a three-technique, pass-rusher coming out of USC, Ellis has 0.5 sacks in his last 24 games. He's also been only an above-average run defender.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:58 am to NS Who Dat Nation
if we have greer, prob, white and whomever else with an upgrading front 7,i'm a bit less concerned about corners. corners are useless without the front 7. But if we're able to get a talent on the cheap, i'm always for it.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:01 am to Chad504boy
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corners are useless without the front 7.
Couldn't agree more. Our Dline has been shite. Also look at the Players Spags had with NYG. He's going to be pushing for pass rush specialist.
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But if we're able to get a talent on the cheap, i'm always for it.
This is where I was going with it. Doubtful but a man can dream.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 10:02 am
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:02 am to blueslover
quote:
3. OL upgrade at OT or C
OT is much bigger need than C.
Also, I think you put a guy opposite Cam Jordan who can really get into the backfield, it will make him even better. I really like his play thus far. Seems to be a guy that gets better each week.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:15 am to elprez00
Even bigger hit is Jimmy Graham needing a new deal. Still, I think one higher dollar impact player is possible
I don't see RT change. Strief not all pro but not terrible at a very affordable price. Charles brown to LT starter is the very best answer but we haven't see enough reps and he's been injured so regularly we dunno if such is possible. Don't doubt it could though. Remember Bushrod had almost zero reps after being on the team two years and then he stepped into the role. Exactly like Mayock said, It's just a matter of bang for the buck ratio in re-signing Bushrod. He may be back but only at the right price.
Smith, Vilma, Ellis gone is net cap add of almost $16mil
I'm expecting to see Hawthorne perform much better in the stretch. He's been dinged all season. Doubtful cut IMO.
I don't see RT change. Strief not all pro but not terrible at a very affordable price. Charles brown to LT starter is the very best answer but we haven't see enough reps and he's been injured so regularly we dunno if such is possible. Don't doubt it could though. Remember Bushrod had almost zero reps after being on the team two years and then he stepped into the role. Exactly like Mayock said, It's just a matter of bang for the buck ratio in re-signing Bushrod. He may be back but only at the right price.
Smith, Vilma, Ellis gone is net cap add of almost $16mil
I'm expecting to see Hawthorne perform much better in the stretch. He's been dinged all season. Doubtful cut IMO.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:17 am to blueslover
If we found a way to get both Moore and Moseley I would piss myself 
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:30 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Mosley would look more like the 9-7 finish range pick. Moore might not be had even at 5-11. As the NFP first mock had, using the Saints current #12 spot, they had Mingo & Montgomery available for the Saints to choose from. Not an outlandish possibility. They have Moore at #7 and no Mosley. Still tbd if he declares.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:47 am to blueslover
Would take Sam, not sure about Mingo.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:35 am to CocoLoco
Think on just two impact players added...
some combo of-
Avril, Freeney, Osi, or Michael Johnson
AND
CJ Mosley
-or-
Shaun Phillips (any other UFA OLBs?)
AND
Mingo, Montgomery, or Jarvis Jones
I could see such a combo doing the trick to turn the corner on D. Then again I thought Lofton/Bunkley would be a huge upgrade. Lofton okay but disappointed in how few reps for Bunkley. We might get to see Hawthorne healthy & full speed in the stretch run here.
Remember to play the next year card for Chamberlain & Romeus too. (Tiller, Jones, Toon on offense).
some combo of-
Avril, Freeney, Osi, or Michael Johnson
AND
CJ Mosley
-or-
Shaun Phillips (any other UFA OLBs?)
AND
Mingo, Montgomery, or Jarvis Jones
I could see such a combo doing the trick to turn the corner on D. Then again I thought Lofton/Bunkley would be a huge upgrade. Lofton okay but disappointed in how few reps for Bunkley. We might get to see Hawthorne healthy & full speed in the stretch run here.
Remember to play the next year card for Chamberlain & Romeus too. (Tiller, Jones, Toon on offense).
Posted on 12/6/12 at 12:53 pm to blueslover
quote:
CJ Mosely
Please God, NO!!! We already have two deadbeats from Gumpaloosa and when's the last time one of Saban's " NFL Ready" LB's had the kind of impact we need??? That's right, NEVER.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:05 pm to blueslover
If you're forced to pick between the two LSU DEs, you go Sam Montgomery everyday if you're the Saints. He's like a younger Will Smith. I'm just not high on Mingo. He seems too one dimensional.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 1:37 pm to CocoLoco
quote:
Would take Sam, not sure about Mingo.
I agree Sam is the more nfl ready player of the 2.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:40 pm to Cajun Invasion
on not drafting a player cuz he's from a certain school The Pats & Ravens seem happy with Donta Hightower & Courtney Upshaw gump backers. Demeco Ryans all pro before injuries.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 6:38 pm to Cajun Invasion
Sam is a 4-3 DE. I think Mingo is an OLB in a 3-4 in the NFL
Posted on 12/7/12 at 4:13 am to ehidal1
It's obvious we need someone on the line, whether it be offensive or defensive.
OL
1. Taylor Lewan T Michigan
2. Barrett Jones C/G/T Alabama
3. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
4. D.J. Fluker T Alabama
DL
1. Sam Montgomery DE LSU
2. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
3. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
OL
1. Taylor Lewan T Michigan
2. Barrett Jones C/G/T Alabama
3. Eric Fisher T Central Michigan
4. D.J. Fluker T Alabama
DL
1. Sam Montgomery DE LSU
2. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
3. Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
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