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re: Kenny Stills Year Two
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:15 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:15 pm to TigerBait1127
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He had the most Deep Passing TD's last season (15) to only 2 interceptions. In 2012, he also led the NFL in deep passing touchdowns
He had the 2nd most deep passing yards last season
He's been one of the best deep passers in the NFL over the last few seasons
and why don't you watch the plays. Find me a play when Drew hit a fast receiver running free in stride at 4 seconds in the play. You won't find it. Go back to 2012 when Joe Morgan ran free and had to wait adjusting to Brees's ball. Gee, 20+ yards aren't hard to get when you have Jimmy running for 4 seconds and can out jump everyone.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Brees lost a few yards on his deep ball. It was there in later part of 2006. It was there in 2009, but not in the last two years.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 1:20 pm
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:18 pm to BTRDD
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and why don't you watch the plays. Find me a play when Dree hit a fast receiver running free in stride at 4 seconds in the play.
Last game of the season
The bigger problem has been protecting him for 4 seconds and the receivers getting separation.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but Brees lost a few yards on his deep ball. It was there in later part of 2006. It was there in 2009, but not in the last two years.
I'm sorry the stats don't agree with you
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, 20+ yards aren't hard to get when you have Jimmy running for 4 seconds and can out jump everyone.
Which is why he has the highest Yards/Attempt...
There is a big difference in saying that he can't throw it as well as he has in the past and saying he can't throw the deep ball. It is statistically false
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:28 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:30 pm to BTRDD
I have no idea what you linked. I posted the exact part where he hit a receiver in stride
There is a big difference in saying that he can't throw it as well as he has in the past and saying he can't throw the deep ball. It is statistically false
15 touchdowns to 2 interceptions, enough said
How can someone average 20 yards/reception and have 5 deep touchdowns and not be a deep threat?
There is a big difference in saying that he can't throw it as well as he has in the past and saying he can't throw the deep ball. It is statistically false
15 touchdowns to 2 interceptions, enough said
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I don't believe Kenny Stills, Morgan or Cooks are deep threats. Why??
How can someone average 20 yards/reception and have 5 deep touchdowns and not be a deep threat?
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:44 pm to bonethug0108
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I agree and some things for Henderson are stuff like him playing with younger Meachem(who could also stretch the field) and/or a better run game, Brees being a little younger, a better offensive line to give Brees time to throw deep, Colston being younger, a better Moore and Sproles, etc.
Stills was put in a spot where he was our only deep threat on the outside and we had a poor run game most of the year, with a pretty bad offensive line through some stretches. It was easy for defenses to keep a safety over the top of him and play him deep.
We'll see how he does with Cooks and maybe Morgan back, a better offensive line(if our center is good and everyone is healthy), and hopefully an improved run game.
People tend to forget Devery only had 1 season over 34 catches(51) and that's the year Meachem "blew up". It's not like he was doing much better than Stills did any other year(2 years over 20 ypc, 1 season at 20 ypc, and 5 seasons below 16 ypc including the super bowl year).
I think Stills is going to be very good.
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Stills is a burner.
Disagree.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:46 pm to moneyg
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Stills is a burner.
Disagree.
how can you possibly disagree with that?
He runs sub 4.4 and led the NFL in yards per reception. What makes him not a burner?
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:49 pm to TigerBait1127
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He runs sub 4.4
that was without pads on.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:53 pm to BTRDD
quote:Moron
BTRDD
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:56 pm to AlaTiger
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70 catches, 1100 yards, and 10 TDs
lol not even close
probably more like 50 and 700 with 6-7 TDs
Posted on 5/12/14 at 1:57 pm to Chad504boy
quote:You can say that about every burner that they ran sub 4.4s without pads. So....?
that was without pads on.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:00 pm to TigerBait1127
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how can you possibly disagree with that?
...because I don't view him as a guy who is going to simply run by the defender. He's great in space and can excel by getting him the ball on the run.
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He runs sub 4.4 and led the NFL in yards per reception. What makes him not a burner?
He's fast. But, when I think of a burner, it's a guy who is going to beat people by running by them. Devery was a burner. Mike Wallace is a burner. Desean Jackson is a burner. Even Joe Morgan is more a burner. All of those guys can beat people simply by outrunning them.
Stills, while fast, doesn't run past people like that. I don't want to get into a semantics argument but Stills uses a more complete skillset to get open. That's not a bad thing.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:05 pm to bonethug0108
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You can say that about every burner that they ran sub 4.4s without pads. So....?
i'm here to post facts man. Stills is a slower receiver when he puts pads on.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:10 pm to Chad504boy
So is every other receiver, hell player, in the league. Everyone is going to run at least a little slower with the pads on. No one runs faster in pads.
Also why I think they should only run 40s in pads. You'll get more accurate results.
Also why I think they should only run 40s in pads. You'll get more accurate results.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:11 pm to bonethug0108
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bonethug0108
he's messing around broMontana
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:13 pm to TigerBait1127
I assumed he was talking about 'a' pad 
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:16 pm to bonethug0108
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So is every other receiver, hell player, in the league. Everyone is going to run at least a little slower with the pads on. No one runs faster in pads.
Let's put it this way. Desean Jackson had a very similar 40 time. Who is faster on the field? Jackson or Stills?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:21 pm to goatmilker
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I will say there is a difference between a deep threat as per the deep ball. Sproles was a deep threat on any pass behind the line. However, I see the "deep" ball as a bit more than a 20 yard pass. Look at these throws to Joe Morgan. How many would have been walk in TD's had Brees put a bit more on the ball. Morgan had to wait or go acroos field on many of these passes. Brees does not have the arm strength where a fast receiver is running in stride to catch up with the pass. Look, I'm not saying get rid of Brees, but I'm saying he does not throw the same deep ball he once did.
I will say there is a difference between a deep threat as per the deep ball. Sproles was a deep threat on any pass behind the line. However, I see the "deep" ball as a bit more than a 20 yard pass. Look at these throws to Joe Morgan. How many would have been walk in TD's had Brees put a bit more on the ball. Morgan had to wait or go acroos field on many of these passes. Brees does not have the arm strength where a fast receiver is running in stride to catch up with the pass. Look, I'm not saying get rid of Brees, but I'm saying he does not throw the same deep ball he once did.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:40 pm to BTRDD
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Look at these throws to Joe Morgan. How many would have been walk in TD's had Brees put a bit more on the ball
Well he had 3 touchdowns in 10 receptions. 5 of those non-TD passes were absolutely perfect, including the 50 yard diving bomb at 2:33 between 3 defenders. The TD at 3:50 was perfect too
It could be that he just needed to adjust to a new WR. We haven't had consistent deep receivers since Meachem and Devery in 2011
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Look, I'm not saying get rid of Brees, but I'm saying he does not throw the same deep ball he once did.
No, you said that he couldn't throw the deep ball. He's had a slight dropoff from the best #'s in NFL history that he put between 2009-2011. A portion of that has to do with Oline play, running game, and losing our deep threats
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:55 pm to TigerBait1127
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He's had a slight dropoff from the best #'s in NFL history that he put between 2009-2011. A portion of that has to do with Oline play, running game, and losing our deep threats
and that he doesn't have the arm to air it out that he once did. I will stick to my first statement. A free running, fast receiver at 4 seconds running, Drew cannot hit them in stride.
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