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re: Jefferson 4.43 forty
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:48 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:48 am to SammyTiger
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You’re just wrong
I can deal with people thinking that. It wouldn't be the first or last time that I'm wrong.
I'm just giving my opinion on what kind of WR he is. Personally, I hope we draft him & he proves that he is a deep threat in the NFL. Nothing would make me happier.
I just don't want people to thinking I'm intentionally downplaying him in some kind of way. It's just my honest opinion on projecting Jefferson's game to the NFL, & the main question that needs to be asked about him.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:16 pm to TechDawg2007
Won’t be shite available for the saints at 24. Knowing them they’ll draft TCU or Zona State WR
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:20 pm to SammyTiger
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Some people just remember that he actually ran go routes and caught deep balls in 2018 and 2019.
Everyone understands you’re point
You’re just wrong
Actually, you're wrong. Of his 111 receptions, only 8 were 20+ air yards last year.
He was targeted over 20 yards 15 times. To your credit, those 15 were go routes or busted plays that he came back to. He was 0/0 over 20 yards between the hashes.
In 2018 he was targeted 19 times with 6 receptions over 20 yards.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:34 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I said He did it and you just pointed out he didn’t do it a lot.
How he was used =\= ability.
The fact is he can do it.
How he was used =\= ability.
The fact is he can do it.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:43 pm to SammyTiger
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How he was used =\= ability.
The fact is he can do it.
Oh Jfc. Move the goal posts a little more. The other poster was right and you were wrong. His production and the way he was used points towards a possession receiver. Him running faster than you expected him to doesn't change anything he did on the field.
His average depth of target was 9 yards. Compare that to Chase at almost 14 and Marshall at 15 and it's pretty clear what Jefferson is good at. Hell, his average depth of target was 6th on the LSU team last year of players that got at least 10 targets. Don't run away from the numbers.
"He doesn't do this but I bet he can" is...well it's a comical response. You got offended at someone's correct scouting on his game, a fellow tiger might I add, and then went on to call him wrong because you don't have the ability to take off your P&G glasses and look at it from an NFL perspective
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:51 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
You literally said he doesn’t run the route and I said He did and can.
You are moving the goalposts moron.
Does he need to catch 90% go routes to not be a Possession receiver?
You are moving the goalposts moron.
Does he need to catch 90% go routes to not be a Possession receiver?
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:59 pm to SammyTiger
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You literally said he doesn’t run the route and I said He did and can
No shite buddy, he's got two functioning legs. Of course he "can" run it. His 9 yard depth of target tells me that he isn't that type of receiver that NFL teams are going to rely on to do it though. Or draft to do it for that matter. Nobody is looking at Jefferson and thinking, "Wow, total package here." He's a possession guy, like we said throughout the thread. You took offense to that.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:02 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
NOnit tells you that’s not what he was asked to do in college last year.
You moron.
His 4.4 speed tells and the actual tape shows me he’s capable or taking the top off a defense.
The reason why most people can’t run the route in the NFLnis because they aren’t fast enough.
That’s CLEARLY not a concern here.
You moron.
His 4.4 speed tells and the actual tape shows me he’s capable or taking the top off a defense.
The reason why most people can’t run the route in the NFLnis because they aren’t fast enough.
That’s CLEARLY not a concern here.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:03 pm to GMoney2600
A possession receiver averages less than 12 YPC. OBJ averages 14 YPC for his career, so he’s also a possession receiver I guess...
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:11 pm to SammyTiger
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His 4.4 speed tells and the actual tape shows me he’s capable or taking the top off a defense.
What do you think those NFL corners run?
4.4 receivers are a dime a dozen in the NFL bruh. We aren't talking about DK Metcalf here. Now you've got the guy with 8 catches on go routes last year and two post routes targets in his entire career taking the top off of NFL defenses.
The law of averages says he probably will get behind some guys in the NFL. The actual evidence says it probably isn't going to happen very often and he'll kill teams underneath
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:16 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Ill say one last thing: most passes in the NFL aren’t Go routes. Jefferson can run a full route tree effectively.
Most guys running 4.4s can’t do everything. Jefferson can. If you can get a complete WR vs just a deep threat or just a possession guy, you take him.
Most guys running 4.4s can’t do everything. Jefferson can. If you can get a complete WR vs just a deep threat or just a possession guy, you take him.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:20 pm to SammyTiger
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Jefferson can run a full route tree effectively
Agree to disagree. If that's the case then he's going over Lamb and Jeudy
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:23 pm to TechDawg2007
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2019 WR Reception Leaders – 40 Time
1. Michael Thomas – 4.57
2. DeAndre Hopkins – 4.57
3. Keenan Allen – 4.71*
4. Julian Edelman – 4.52*
5. Julio Jones – 4.34
6. Allen Robinson – 4.60
7. Cooper Kupp – 4.62
8. Robert Woods – 4.51
9. Tyler Boyd – 4.58
10. DJ Moore – 4.42
Lotta slot and “possession” WRs.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:32 pm to GynoSandberg
Lotta slot and “possession” WRs.
Not sure the point you’re getting at. I see 5 guys that I’d probably call possession guys and 5 guys that beat people downfield on a regular basis. If the point is that you don’t need to run a blistering 40 to be an elite receiver, I agree wholeheartedly. Tyler Boyd is a comp I’ve made to Jefferson more than once
Not sure the point you’re getting at. I see 5 guys that I’d probably call possession guys and 5 guys that beat people downfield on a regular basis. If the point is that you don’t need to run a blistering 40 to be an elite receiver, I agree wholeheartedly. Tyler Boyd is a comp I’ve made to Jefferson more than once
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:32 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Agree to disagree. If that's the case then he's going over Lamb and Jeudy
What Jefferson can do has nothing to do with either of those guys ability.
You keep saying ahit like that like all three can’t be good receivers and after yesterday I am sure scouts are reassessing their draft boards.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:35 pm to SammyTiger
Both of those guys have some flaws. It doesn't appear that Jefferson does
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:36 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Maybe Jefferson will go ahead of them.
The knock on him before he ran a faster time than both of them was that he wasn’t as fast.
Here you go.
The knock on him before he ran a faster time than both of them was that he wasn’t as fast.
Here you go.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:04 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Some of the best WR in the league play the slot or can be labeled possession. The point is that it shouldn’t come with a negative connotation.
Also, a 40 doesn’t necessarily pigeon hole one as a slot WR. You have guys like Chris Godwin (best Jefferson comp imo) and Tyler Lockett who are 4.4 guys who play the slot. You have the “slower” route technicians like Edelman, Boyd and Kupp. Bigger bodied guys like Fitz, Keenan Allen
Slot guys are foundations of offense. Gotta have a good once. Saints have gotten away with a combo of Kamara, Thomas and he TEs there. Getting a full time guy there who can catch it and run would be nice
Also, a 40 doesn’t necessarily pigeon hole one as a slot WR. You have guys like Chris Godwin (best Jefferson comp imo) and Tyler Lockett who are 4.4 guys who play the slot. You have the “slower” route technicians like Edelman, Boyd and Kupp. Bigger bodied guys like Fitz, Keenan Allen
Slot guys are foundations of offense. Gotta have a good once. Saints have gotten away with a combo of Kamara, Thomas and he TEs there. Getting a full time guy there who can catch it and run would be nice
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:43 pm to GynoSandberg
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The point is that it shouldn’t come with a negative connotation.
That’s been my argument the entire thread. The LSU fanboys got upset about it.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:15 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Everything Jefferson was inside the numbers at lsu
That was the offense they were running
I think jefferson is a great receiver but I just don't think he will be picked before 24
That was the offense they were running
I think jefferson is a great receiver but I just don't think he will be picked before 24
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