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Is Sean Payton a good head coach?
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:24 pm
I really find it hard to say that he is.
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Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:31 pm to Doom
he is more of an OC instead of a HC
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:32 pm to Doom
he is a good off cord. benson needs to break down a hire a def cord that is worth a shite. It dosent even have to be great one(NY def cord) just an average one. And the saints would be in playoffs yr in and yr out. 10-5 and 11-4 season every year.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:32 pm to philly444
Beginning to agree. Been thinking the same thing!!!
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:32 pm to philly444
quote:I am beginning to believe this as well.
he is more of an OC instead of a HC
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:33 pm to philly444
Yes, he is.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:35 pm to LafVooDoo14
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Is Sean Payton a good head coach?
Was Jim Mora??? At least Payton has takin them to an NFC TITLE GAME!! Which Mora could NOT DO!!!!
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:39 pm to dukke v
I think he's a good head coach. We need a DC and some safeties.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:40 pm to dukke v
i we get a new DC and address needs on D, then yes.
if he ignores the REAL problems with this team and focus' on offense in the offseason, then yes, he sucks balls
if he ignores the REAL problems with this team and focus' on offense in the offseason, then yes, he sucks balls
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:48 pm to pellietigersaint
he's a glorified OC. We need a hard nosed, tough head coach who won't take any shite from the players and doesn't make poor player choices. He is creative as an OC but you can tell during games he gets caught up in the playcalling and forgets to be a head coach.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:52 pm to zerocool
To me it's more than having a predictable defense that loses games for us.
It's a lack of fundamentals and seemingly no accountability for making mental mistakes. No one seems to feel pressure to perform.
On top of that his teams are soft and show a lack of heart at times.
Sean Payton's teams are like a fine tuned sports car. It runs like a dream on a smooth track but the minute things get bumpy it loses all momentum.
It's a lack of fundamentals and seemingly no accountability for making mental mistakes. No one seems to feel pressure to perform.
On top of that his teams are soft and show a lack of heart at times.
Sean Payton's teams are like a fine tuned sports car. It runs like a dream on a smooth track but the minute things get bumpy it loses all momentum.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:53 pm to dukke v
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Which Mora could NOT DO!!!!
Mora was undone by two things (a) he too had a terrible Coordinator, only his was on offense. Mora was a great defensive guy and would have had some great teams with even a half decent OC. That said, they might not have done much better because (b) they were in the same division with the SF 49er dynasty. Bad timing....
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:55 pm to Icansee4miles
So, how does changing coaches allow the Dirty Birds to go from worst to almost first? Evidently, coaching makes a difference. I will stop supporting Payton if he doesn't change DCs (sound familiar?)
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:56 pm to Doom
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he is more of an OC instead of a HC
+1
Posted on 12/28/08 at 1:57 pm to Doom
I don't think he's necessarily a bad head coach. We'll see if he can make the necessary DC adjustment after this season. He's pretty much following Haslett's path at this point.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 2:05 pm to Doom
Until he realizes that there's more to being a HC than just throwing the ball, he will NOT be a good HC...we have NO running game and NO defense.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 2:09 pm to putt1058
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Until he realizes that there's more to being a HC than just throwing the ball, he will NOT be a good HC...we have NO running game and NO defense.
Our offense is generally beyond reproach, though perhaps we could upgrade the o-line a bit. The problem is the defense, and that must be rectified by overhauling the secondary and bringing in a competent defensive coordinator.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 2:33 pm to Doom
Haslett's first 3 years:
10-6
7-9
9-7
Payton's first 3 years:
10-6
7-9
8-8
If Payton's a good head coach, so is Haslett. I don't think many Saints fans believe that Haslett is a good HC, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say Payton's not.
Imagine Haslett's teams with a QB like Brees instead of Brooks.
10-6
7-9
9-7
Payton's first 3 years:
10-6
7-9
8-8
If Payton's a good head coach, so is Haslett. I don't think many Saints fans believe that Haslett is a good HC, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say Payton's not.
Imagine Haslett's teams with a QB like Brees instead of Brooks.
Posted on 12/28/08 at 8:00 pm to zerocool
wrong, you need talent in the defensive secondary first......then a DC
Posted on 12/28/08 at 8:37 pm to RemouladeSawce
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magine Haslett's teams with a QB like Brees instead of Brooks
probably not that great, part of Brees success comes from the system
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