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re: Is it just me or have we had plenty of minority coaches in the NFL over the last few years
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:10 am to Mr. Hangover
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:10 am to Mr. Hangover
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Umm…. He previously was a major part of arguably the greatest college offense of all time before that
Maybe that had something to do with it??
No? You’re right. He only got that job because he’s white
Joe Brady was NOT the example to use there chief
There are 34 black coordinators in college, all more qualified than a guy with absolutely no coordinator experience other than sitting along side Ensminger clapping his hands, while Burrow was saving his arse.
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:13 am to Proximo
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You don’t think race has anything to do with the Saints’ search? With the country, NFL, Rooney rule, ESPN all watching?
You little snowflake.
I don't think a thread based on anyone opinion about a group of coaches in the NFL is not Saints specific.
And the hilarity is the very first response to my comment in this thread
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The sense of tribalism amongst black people is admirable. It doesn’t matter who says what, or what happens, you guys have each other’s backs no matter what…..
Yet here you are tag team partner. So what are we calling this?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:14 am to Proximo
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Umm…. He previously was a major part of arguably the greatest college offense of all time before that
Maybe that had something to do with it??
No? You’re right. He only got that job because he’s white
Joe Brady was NOT the example to use there chief
Oh I get it black coaches works with Brady or Reid = he did nothing, it was all the white guy... white coach works on Paytons staff = He's an offensive genius. Lmao
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:16 am to Mr. Hangover
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Umm…. He previously was a major part of arguably the greatest college offense of all time before that
Maybe that had something to do with it??
No? You’re right. He only got that job because he’s white
Joe Brady was NOT the example to use there chief
Forgive me I don't follow position coaches, doing what they are supposed to be doing. Congrats on him getting a job he earned.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:19 am to Mr. Hangover
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Who is everyone? Twitter?
Bro, expand get out more.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:24 am to chrisharrisbaby
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The sense of tribalism amongst black people is admirable. It doesn’t matter who says what, or what happens, you guys have each other’s backs no matter what…..
Yet here you are tag team partner. So what are we calling this?
Honestly, you’re too stupid to engage with. You’re not making any sense and talking in circles
You claim that there were so many other qualified BLACK candidates but yet you also claim that you don’t follow the careers of position coaches.. so how the hell are you supposed to know who is the most qualified or not?
Also, how do you know which coach was responsible for the explosion of LSUs offense? Was it Brady? Was it E? Was it a combo of the two mixed with great players?
You don’t know, nobody does.. and that’s ok.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 10:25 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:26 am to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
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Who is everyone? Twitter?
Bro, expand get out more.
Ok, ESPN?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:30 am to cbree88
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Is it just me or have we had plenty of minority coaches in the NFL over the last few years
55 head coaching hires in the NFL over the last decade
5 were black -11% of hires (Bowles, Jackman, Lynn, Joseph, Flores) with an average 1-2yr tenure.
Only 1 black coach now - 3% (Tomlin)
Over 60% of players are black.
But I guess that's "plenty" enough for you.
Honestly - 5 hires in 10 years. And mostly on teams looking to long term rebuild through the draft.
I don't know how anyone can look at the actual number and claim the NFL is 'forcing' black coaches into the league?
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 10:37 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:30 am to Mr. Hangover
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You claim that there were so many other qualified BLACK candidates but yet you also claim that you don’t follow the careers of position coaches.. so how the hell are you supposed to know who is the most qualified or not?
I know that Joe was NOT qualified,and his firing as well as demotion speak to that fact. We have seen E run the offense without Brady, and we saw Brady's offense fail miserably leading to him getting fired, doesn't take a huge leap of faith to see who contributed mostly to that season (actually it was Burrow).
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:52 am to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
Let me ask you a question. All these cries of equality in coaching, where is that same effort when it comes to running backs and defensive backs? Why aren’t we trying harder to get more white skill players in the league?
I get it, it’s a tough question to answer because you’re forced to take your hypocrisy right in the kisser.. so just downvote and act like you never saw it
I get it, it’s a tough question to answer because you’re forced to take your hypocrisy right in the kisser.. so just downvote and act like you never saw it
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 11:02 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:14 am to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
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So tell me how did the genius Joe Brady contribute to that offense? Cause from where I'm sitting it was ALL Burrow, Chase, CEH, with a splash of Ensminger...
I doubt anyone outside of LSU really knows this, but when Burrow, Chase, CEH & Ensminger were there in 2018, the offense looked nothing like the 2019 offense. The philosophy was different, the play design was different, and obviously the results/effectiveness was different. Most of that was credited to Brady between the development/improvement of Burrow and the designs of the plays/passing attack. Rhule got a little too eager and bought the hype and quickly learned Brady needed more experience.
I would also add that part of the reason Rhule brought in Brady over Bienemy or Leftwich is he probably wanted a college guy. His DC also came from college, I'm sure several of his position coaches * assistants did as well.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:14 am to paulb52
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Most players in NFL are black. Where are white players? Do they need a rule for player pigmentation? Such lunacy.
Luckily, there are objective tests for speed, strength, agility, etc., so we can rank people.
All the tests used for measuring math proficiency, analytical reasoning skills, logical reasoning skills, etc are racially biased and can't be used to rank people.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:16 am to TSLG
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Luckily, there are objective tests for speed, strength, agility, etc., so we can rank people.
Well then there needs to be a quota of white people getting tested at the combine or I’ll consider it unfair. We can call it the The Mr. Hangover Rule
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:20 am to Mr. Hangover
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Let me ask you a question. All these cries of equality in coaching, where is that same effort when it comes to running backs and defensive backs? Why aren’t we trying harder to get more white skill players in the league?
To answer that question you have to ask yourself, are these white rb/db not getting chances in highschool or college to raise their stocks like their black counterparts? Are they putting in the same work in the weight rooms, and training, the sacrifices that these kids that do make it to the NFL are making? A big one is do they have the genetics? If they're doing all of these things and are still being look over, then you'd have a point... although I doubt that's the case seeing how high Christian McCaffrey got drafted, and not one black person complained.
Your being ridiculous we've seen predominantly white NFL, and black folks didn't force their way into the league... owners realized better athletes equalled more winning/more money, and NONE of that has anything to do with having a hiring process with integrity.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:24 am to caliegeaux
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When 14% of the US population has 100% of the jobs, and only then, will it be enough.
6%, unless you are including women.
What blows my mind is why anyone would hire anyone “because they’re white.” If I’m an owner, I’m hiring the best candidate possible, regardless of race. I think it does a great disservice, however, to the Mike Tomlin, Tony Dungee, Lovie Smith’s of the world to force racial percentages. They are great coaches who can compete on any level on their talent and qualifications alone. Requiring racial quotas diminishes the accomplishment of becoming an NFL head coach.
Hiring or not hiring because of skin color is not just bigoted, it’s dumb.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:30 am to Mr. Hangover
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Honestly, you’re too stupid to engage with. You’re not making any sense and talking in circles
Wrong person my guy. You also didn't address anything that was quoted in my last response so unsure how to even respond to that.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:32 am to TSLG
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All the tests used for measuring math proficiency, analytical reasoning skills, logical reasoning skills, etc are racially biased and can't be used to rank people.
Holy shite, I hope this is sarcasm. Math transcends all cultures, races and socioeconomic levels. If math is racist, somebody needs to tell the Asians, Jews, Arabs, Indians, etc.
Cultures that do not value academic achievement are the only discriminators in evaluating academic performance. Period. That’s why Americans as a entire entity trail other countries in literacy, math and science skills.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:32 am to cbree88
Art Shell
Dennis Green
Ray Rhodes
Tony Dungy
Herman Edwards
Marvin Lewis
Lovie Smith
Romeo Crennel
Mike Tomlin
Mike Singletary
Jim Caldwell
Raheem Morris
Perry Fewell
Leslie Frazier
Hue Jackson
Anthony Lynn
Vance Josep
Brian Flores
All are black and all have been hired as head coaches in the NFL. This list doesn’t include black coaches that became interim head coaches.
Dennis Green
Ray Rhodes
Tony Dungy
Herman Edwards
Marvin Lewis
Lovie Smith
Romeo Crennel
Mike Tomlin
Mike Singletary
Jim Caldwell
Raheem Morris
Perry Fewell
Leslie Frazier
Hue Jackson
Anthony Lynn
Vance Josep
Brian Flores
All are black and all have been hired as head coaches in the NFL. This list doesn’t include black coaches that became interim head coaches.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:53 am to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
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To answer that question you have to ask yourself, are these white rb/db not getting chances in highschool or college to raise their stocks like their black counterparts? Are they putting in the same work in the weight rooms, and training, the sacrifices that these kids that do make it to the NFL are making? A big one is do they have the genetics? If they're doing all of these things and are still being look over, then you'd have a point..
Copy and paste that to all the people crying about the lack of opportunities for minority coaches in the NFL
you made my exact point for me
Name one minority coach that’s made his way through the HS and college levels who 100% deserves a shot at a HC spot who hasn’t gotten it yet
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:07 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Name one minority coach that’s made his way through the HS and college levels who 100% deserves a shot at a HC spot who hasn’t gotten it yet
Dude you still don't get it do you, guys aren't getting an opportunity to earn their way thru the ranks due to the buddy system, this isn't just a Head Coaching issue, it's a Coaching issue. There needs to be more diversity on all levels of coaching. STOP hiring guys because of the branch they came off on a Coaching three, give a legit interview without having "your" guy already picked, and give the best guy for the job.
If owners and GMs truly did this there would be no reason for Rooney Rule, but they won't do it, and guys like you will continue to bitch about a rule in place that really doesn't matter anyway. I really don't understand why you don't like the rule, all it is a cover your arse rule anyway... teams hire who that want regardless.
And again you're comparison you're trying to make with white players in the league vs black coaches HIRED is ridiculous.
There is absolutely NO correlation.
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