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If we stay pat at #27
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:59 am
What do you think the most likely position will be available that is one of our top needs? (QB, TE, edge rusher,LB or OL) And out of those positions according to the draft talk buzz where do you see our biggest bang for the buck?
I say we can probably get a top tier TE or OL. I think the best pass rushers, LBs, and QBs will all be gone by that point and grabbing anyone one else would be reaching at the end of round one.
I say we can probably get a top tier TE or OL. I think the best pass rushers, LBs, and QBs will all be gone by that point and grabbing anyone one else would be reaching at the end of round one.
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:03 am to CajunTiger78
Lamar Jackson
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:08 am to CajunTiger78
OL or LB IMO
There is no TE worth a 1st round pick in this draft. You guys know how every year we always get hung up on certain guy that we like or think fit (such as Derek Barnett or Jarvis Jones) but in reality the talent isn't worth it at the spot we're picking. I think that will end up being the case for this pick and TE. In my opinion there is no way they'll have a TE that has the highest grade on their board at 27, so there is no way they pick one.
There is no TE worth a 1st round pick in this draft. You guys know how every year we always get hung up on certain guy that we like or think fit (such as Derek Barnett or Jarvis Jones) but in reality the talent isn't worth it at the spot we're picking. I think that will end up being the case for this pick and TE. In my opinion there is no way they'll have a TE that has the highest grade on their board at 27, so there is no way they pick one.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:10 am to redneck
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Lamar Jackson
I doubt he is there when we pick at 27. I believe there will be a run on QBs in the 1st round. I don't think he will make it past the Cardinals.
And I'm not a fan of picking him up. His accuracy concerns me and I am not a fan of running QBs, especially QBs of his size. Cam Newton can get away with it a little more being he is the size of an OLB. But someone the size of Jackson would make the hit highlight reel if an NFL LB or DE got a clean shot on him.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:12 am to Rand AlThor
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There is no TE worth a 1st round pick in this draft
I disagree. Hurst is definitely worth a first considering his draft stock, the Saints needs at the position, and lack of 2nd round pick. I’d rather they draft their highest rated OL or defensive player, but I would not be upset in the slightest if Hurst was the selection.
Sure I’d love them to trade down to the early 2nd, possibly still get Hurst or another TE, as well as pick up extra picks.... but that’s not Payton’s style.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:15 am to jembeurt
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I disagree. Hurst is definitely worth a first considering his draft stock, the Saints needs at the position, and lack of 2nd round pick. I’d rather they draft their highest rated OL or defensive player, but I would not be upset in the slightest if Hurst was the selection. Sure I’d love them to trade down to the early 2nd, possibly still get Hurst or another TE, as well as pick up extra picks.... but that’s not Payton’s style.
With that being said, what team do you think would want to trade up and for who? OL?? Teams from the bottom of the 1st or someone coming out of the top of the 2nd to get back into the 1st?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:23 am to jembeurt
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the Saints needs at the position, and lack of 2nd round pick.
I promise you they won't consider these factors when making the pick. They make picks based on pure talent, not need. And they are more well-equipped to do that right now than they ever have been.
Think about 2015, when we took Peat. Was that on anyone's radar? Every mock that year had us taking a corner or a DE. We didn't even need a tackle - Armstead had just broken out, and Strief was still playing well at the time. Payton even said in his post-draft presser that they didn't envision Peat at guard.
They took Peat at a position of non-need based purely on talent. It's just their MO.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:24 am to CajunTiger78
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what team do you think would want to trade up and for who?
It solely depends on that team’s board and who they feel the’ll need to trade up for at that moment. Who would’ve thought going into last year’s draft that KC wanted to trade up 11 spots for Mahomes? Or SF coming back into the 1st just ahead of the Saints to select Foster? Or Payton going up to get Cooks a few years ago?
No one will know until it happens. But I could easily see Payton trading up more than I see him trading down.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:30 am to Rand AlThor
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They make picks based on pure talent, not need.
Yes and no. If they have two guys rated CLOSELY ENOUGH at the time of their selection, they’ll go with the one who may fit more of a need. But I’m hoping they stay at 27 and select the highest player on their board, regardless of position.
Unless someone they have highly rated begins to slip into the mid teens. Then they need to go get that player. Ireland has changed the drafting culture completely the last couple of years.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:38 am to CajunTiger78
Hopefully Jackson is gone by #27 so that Sean isn't tempted to get cute and take him.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 9:39 am to Rand AlThor
@Rand AlThor
So what position do you think will be available at 27 that would be the best value for us?
So what position do you think will be available at 27 that would be the best value for us?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 9:45 am to CajunTiger78
Corner, interior OL, interior DL, maybe a LB. Medicals on Maurice Hurst and LVE may come into play.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 9:53 am to CajunTiger78
OL or LB in my opinion.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 9:57 am to jembeurt
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Yes and no. If they have two guys rated CLOSELY ENOUGH at the time of their selection, they’ll go with the one who may fit more of a need. But I’m hoping they stay at 27 and select the highest player on their board, regardless of position.
Unless someone they have highly rated begins to slip into the mid teens. Then they need to go get that player. Ireland has changed the drafting culture completely the last couple of years.
Yes, you're correct. I believe it's been reported they operate in "clouds" - so they just have players clumped into groups, and if two players are within the same group and that group is the highest one available, they'll pick between those two, perhaps considering need.
My point is: if a player in a higher cloud is available, they will take him regardless of need/position. I don't see any scenario where they have any of these TEs in the top available cloud personally.
I do like Hurst - to me he is easily the best TE in this class and I wouldn't hate him at 27. But I just think no matter what there will be someone better there.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:12 am to CajunTiger78
I think we will come away with one of these guys if we stay at #27:
Connor Williams OT (Texas)--Projected to play G in NFL and this makes him versatile which Sean likes.
Frank Ragnow G (Arkansas)--Also someone who can play either G or C...see explanation above
Will Hernandez OG (UTEP)--Next best G in the draft after Nelson who should be gone long before we pick.
I just think that the run on QBs, CBs and edge rushers will push a top tier OL to us and that would be our best bang for the buck at our current spot.
Connor Williams OT (Texas)--Projected to play G in NFL and this makes him versatile which Sean likes.
Frank Ragnow G (Arkansas)--Also someone who can play either G or C...see explanation above
Will Hernandez OG (UTEP)--Next best G in the draft after Nelson who should be gone long before we pick.
I just think that the run on QBs, CBs and edge rushers will push a top tier OL to us and that would be our best bang for the buck at our current spot.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:13 am to Rand AlThor
I agree that they’ll have a player ranked higher than Hurst when their selection comes up. I was just initially commenting that Hurst was a TE that would be “worth” a Saints 1st round pick at 27.
We’re in agreement, but probably just arguing semantics at this point.
We’re in agreement, but probably just arguing semantics at this point.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:18 am to CajunTiger78
If Payne falls to 27 no brainer, if not take the C/G from Ar Kansas.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:20 am to CajunTiger78
If Rashaan Evans or Harold Landry is there that should be a no brainer imo
Much rather take a chance on a TE or QB in Round 3. The window for this team is way too narrow for us to take someone at those two positions which are notorious for slow starts in the rookie year
Much rather take a chance on a TE or QB in Round 3. The window for this team is way too narrow for us to take someone at those two positions which are notorious for slow starts in the rookie year
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:28 am to CajunTiger78
Everything I've heard and read said the value at 27 will be at CB or OL. So most likely it will be one of those if we stay at 27.
I don't think we stay there. I think we move up a little for a Harold Landry type, or Baker Mayfield if he falls to the 20s.
I don't think we stay there. I think we move up a little for a Harold Landry type, or Baker Mayfield if he falls to the 20s.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 10:33 am to Fun Bunch
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Everything I've heard and read said the value at 27 will be at CB or OL. So most likely it will be one of those if we stay at 27. I don't think we stay there. I think we move up a little for a Harold Landry type, or Baker Mayfield if he falls to the 20s.
Every mock I'm seeing lately is showing Mayfield's stock rising fast. I do not see him making out of the top 10. I think the lowest he goes will be number 15 to the Cardinals. If we really covet him we will be trading up to get him.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 10:34 am
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