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re: Has Reggie Been a Bust
Posted on 7/21/09 at 4:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/21/09 at 4:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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saintards told me they would rather have bush than adrian peterson after we drafted bush
b/c AP was still in college
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Posted on 7/21/09 at 5:15 pm to pult44
Yes
Posted on 7/21/09 at 5:32 pm to Kind Objectivist
People keep talking about his rushing totals only. I feel you need to consider his rushing and receiving totals from scrimmage in order to evaluate him. He is not a 3rd and 1 type back. Never was, never will be. He is a good back, and an explosive player who elevates our offense as well as special teams.
He is generally the most explosive plyer on the field when not injured.
If he continues to get hurt, he will be a dissapointment, nut a bust.
He is generally the most explosive plyer on the field when not injured.
If he continues to get hurt, he will be a dissapointment, nut a bust.
Posted on 7/21/09 at 5:37 pm to novowels
yes
Posted on 7/22/09 at 8:15 am to TigerDeacon
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I thought Deuce was the Saints' all-time leading rusher. At his current rate, Bush should overtake him in 2028.
Deuce is the Saints all time leader in TDs. At his current rate, Reggie will overtake him by 2011.
Posted on 7/22/09 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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when you're hailed as "the best RB prospect in 25 years," you're expected to be a great RB
Hailed by fans? ESPN? I would love to see a link where anyone in the Saints organization labeled him the "best RB prospect in 25 years". Seriously. The Saints didn't draft him for that.
As for it being retarded to draft him #2 if he is intended as a complimentary player, um, no it isn't. Having a weapon like Reggie that the defense has to account for is invaluable to an offense. If you won't acknowledge that, then we don't have anything to talk about.
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saintards told me they would rather have bush than adrian peterson after we drafted bush
Well, that's fukin stupid. You certainly didn't hear that from me. That is a retarded statement. But again, two totally different players.
And as for Tomlinson being able to score from any point on the field, sure he can. But he is also a viable threat to run between the tackles 15-20 times a game. Reggie is not. That's why I said Reggie wasn't drafted to be a "tomlinson type player".
Posted on 7/22/09 at 11:11 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Hailed by fans? ESPN? I would love to see a link where anyone in the Saints organization labeled him the "best RB prospect in 25 years". Seriously. The Saints didn't draft him for that.
Can you show us where the Saints knew that he wouldn't be a running back, because they keep putting him back there in that running back postion.
Posted on 7/22/09 at 11:17 am to Black n Gold
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Deuce played in 97 career games out of a possible 128. That puts his games missed due to injury at 25%.. hardly the 40% you assert.
LOL - I guess you're counting the 11 games last year where he carried like 3 times a game
Posted on 7/22/09 at 11:45 am to Suntiger
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Can you show us where the Saints knew that he wouldn't be a running back, because they keep putting him back there in that running back postion.
Reggie has averaged 10.8 carries per game and 5.6 receptions per game for his career. He has more receiving yards in his career than rushing yards. Those are not numbers typical of a "traditional" RB.
2006, the 1 season that Reggie got to play with Deuce, the way the Saints intended when they drafted him, he averaged 9.6 carries and 5.6 receptions and had 200 more receiving yards than rushing yards.
Again, if you guys won't acknowledge that Reggie was not drafted to be the primary ball carrier out of the backfield, we just don't have anything to discuss.
Posted on 7/22/09 at 12:00 pm to Tiger Voodoo
That doesn't mean he wasn't drafted to be a running back. I mean it's not like he was Devin Hester or Eric Crouch who were projected to be something else in the NFL. He was a traditional running back at USC who I think everyone thought would be a RB in the NFL. They knew he had great hands but it's not like they were talking about making him primarily a WR or anything.
Posted on 7/22/09 at 12:17 pm to Suntiger
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That doesn't mean he wasn't drafted to be a running back.
Dude, we had Deuce McAllister when we drafted him. He was a five year vet. Sure he was coming off of an injury, but all reports were that he was healthy, which he was. Its not like Reggie was supposed to be his replacement. Why can't people understand that he was drafted to compliment Deuce, our primary ballcarrier, and add a new dimension to our offense by getting him the ball out of the backfield? All the talk about Reggie from the Saints after the draft was about his "versatility" and the "added dimension" he brings to an offense.
Again, the 1 season he was able to play with Deuce, as intended, he, the offense, and the team were very successful. That means that no, it was not "stupid" to draft him #2 to be a complimentary back because, guess what, it worked. It got us to the NFC Championship Game. Honestly, does anyone think we'd have been in that game if we didn't draft Reggie? I honestly don't.
We'll see how things go this season with Thomas slotted in as the primary ballcarrier, or the Deuce role, so that Reggie can be used as he was intended, as a multi-purpose complimentary back.
This post was edited on 7/22/09 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/22/09 at 1:13 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Dude, we had Deuce McAllister when we drafted him. He was a five year vet.
Who already had a knee replacement. Also, I remember Deuce being drafted when we had Ricky Williams.
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That means that no, it was not "stupid" to draft him #2
Not saying that.
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so that Reggie can be used as he was intended, as a multi-purpose complimentary back.
I think this is more hind sight with the fact that Reggie can't run between the tackles like a primary running back. Coming into the draft he was compared to Gayle Sayers and Walter Payton who were primarily running backs.
You can say that was everyone but the Saints, but I'm pretty sure the Saints thought he would be able to run between the tackles as well.
Posted on 7/22/09 at 1:21 pm to Suntiger
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That means that no, it was not "stupid" to draft him #2
Not saying that.
Yeah, that was responding to SFP who said it would have been stupid to draft him #2 to be a complimentary back.
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Who already had a knee replacement. Also, I remember Deuce being drafted when we had Ricky Williams.
True, but like I said, all indications were that Deuce was healthy. In fact, the Saints went into overdrive convincing Deuce he was still our #1 back because he was upset with the pick at first. When they explained to him how they planned to use Reggie, Deuce was happy with the plan.
And drafting Deuce was different. Ricky had never been healthy as a Saint. And Deuce was taken late in the 1st as basically a BPA pick.
The Saints had a specific plan with Bush, and just because the fans, and the USC-obsessed media wanted to compare him to Sayers, doesn't mean that's what the Saints were planning when drafting him.
A lot of thought went into the pick, not the least of which was generating excitement, ticket sales, jersey sales, etc., and given all the circumstances, the pick has not been a bust.
Again, do you think the Saints make it to the NFCCG in 06 without Bush?
Posted on 7/22/09 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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to be fair, vince has led his team to as many playoff seasons as reggie
Whoa, there's a huge difference in going completely whiny mental and not running for 2,000 yards. Vince has been really exciting to watch this past year...oh, wait....no he hasn't. You can't blame RB solely for the Saints not winning the SB.
Posted on 7/23/09 at 8:20 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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I feel you need to consider his rushing and receiving totals from scrimmage in order to evaluate him.
this is fair
however, when has he approached 2,000 combined YFS? we hype him like he is this type of player, but i don't think he's ever done it
Posted on 7/23/09 at 8:21 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Having a weapon like Reggie that the defense has to account for is invaluable to an offense
did our offense fall off when reggie was hurt last year? no it didn't. or the other times when reggie was hurt
Posted on 7/23/09 at 8:23 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Reggie has averaged 10.8 carries per game and 5.6 receptions per game for his career.
2:1 ratio
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He has more receiving yards in his career than rushing yards.
because
1. you should get 11-13 yards per reception, and around 5 ypc
2. he's not a good runner
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Those are not numbers typical of a "traditional" RB.
you do know that top backs get 60-80 receptions per year, right? and this isn't with specific playcalls created for them (other than screens) like the swing screen we use with reg
Posted on 7/23/09 at 8:26 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Dude, we had Deuce McAllister when we drafted him. He was a five year vet. Sure he was coming off of an injury, but all reports were that he was healthy,
he's an injury prone guy and has been since college. the writing was on the wall after the last knee injury, and he would have been gone around 2006, but the front office gave him a fricktarded contract
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Why can't people understand that he was drafted to compliment Deuce
then it's fricking retarded to pay 2 RBs that much
hell it might be economical to play anything less than 2 RBs the salary of EITHER bush or deuce
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Again, the 1 season he was able to play with Deuce, as intended, he, the offense, and the team were very successful. That means that no, it was not "stupid" to draft him #2 to be a complimentary back because, guess what, it worked. It got us to the NFC Championship Game.
our offense hasn't been a problem with peyton. and this means with OR WITHOUT bush playing
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Honestly, does anyone think we'd have been in that game if we didn't draft Reggie?
if we had built our team differently we might have made the playoffs the last 2 years instead of just that 1
Posted on 7/23/09 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
did it fall off when colston got hurt? just sayin.....
Posted on 7/23/09 at 8:31 am to whodatfan
Over/under on Bush's YPC this upcoming year. I'll set it at 4.0
I'll take the over
I'll take the over
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